Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[opendoor]

Yes, picketing workplaces where the union members are on strike is exactly the same as a bunch of rubes blocking major border crossings or occupying a part of a city.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah that would be as absurd as a group of natives stopping a train from rolling down the tracks.

Oh wait...

I could maybe see your point if the tracks were operated by our armed forces rather than a private company.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Yes, picketing workplaces where the union members are on strike is exactly the same as a bunch of rubes blocking major border crossings or occupying a part of a city.

They are not the same. Who's saying that? Certainly not me.

Again, it's a strawman. No one is comparing this to that fiasco outside of the loons themselves. It will never ever get close to it.

Still doesn't make their escalation right nor do they have a just case in doing so. Stating such doesn't make them equals.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Firebot

talk about strawman cherry picking?

Shutting down a port
Blocking access to a base
Blocking a border crossing
Blocking a lift bridge
Shutting down a retail center, that happens to have a passport office

And of all these things mentioned, you focus on the passport office blurb? That's one of the expected ones. Who's complaining about it?

Also not sure what freedumb convoys have anything to do with a strike? why are even bringing up that type of whataboutism outside of some type of partisan jab...to who exactly? Andrew Coyne was very outspoken against the convoy. Yoho? He didn't even say anything.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1588327076846764034

You can be totally against the freedumb fighters while also condemning current picketing actions that go beyond a picket line you know?

It's simply an extremely poor strategy to piss off the public beyond government services because for the most part the majority of people support the strike action.

Well actually I addressed those in the sentence before you bolded..

I can guarantee you that the picket lines won't be set up 24/7 and that all of these blockages are temporary, and will just result in delays at the border, not full stoppages

As for "no one is comparing to the convoy"...

Someone get on the phone with Freeland ASAP so that the bank accounts of the striking workers and union can be frozen.

Agreed, the difference will be how the media covers the story.
“brave souls fighting for the basic human right to not come in to work two days a week.”

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Still doesn't make their escalation right nor do they have a just case in doing so.

I had no idea that you were a judge.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I had no idea that you were a judge.

Come on, we're all judges on here. It's probably our main role as posters here to adjudicate such matters?

[Superflyer]

I had to look up these "blockades" and such as I have not heard anything about them. There is not much out there that I can find but what I did find is that they were for a few hours on a single day. Even then they were just about slowing people down, not fully blocking access. People could still access the buildings and ports and bases, there was just added traffic congestion from what was going on.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Superflyer

I had to look up these "blockades" and such as I have not heard anything about them. There is not much out there that I can find but what I did find is that they were for a few hours on a single day. Even then they were just about slowing people down, not fully blocking access. People could still access the buildings and ports and bases, there was just added traffic congestion from what was going on.

The ones I'm familiar with are operating like normal picket lines. Strikers are "blockading" a Canadian Forces Base that a friend of mine works at, but it's just normal strike activity at a union job site. Traffic is slower, but essential workers and military personnel can come and go without issue. No different than a strike at a sawmill or something like that.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Slava

Come on, we're all judges on here. It's probably our main role as posters here to adjudicate such matters?

Now that I think of it, I do enjoy beer. Maybe you’re on to something here Slava.

[Doctorfever]

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/psac-feder...191131391.html

”We're here because our lives have been disrupted by the federal government and it's time for them to feel some disruptions themselves,"

Not sure that this is going to help the striking workers gather support from the general public.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/psac-feder...191131391.html

”We're here because our lives have been disrupted by the federal government and it's time for them to feel some disruptions themselves,"

Not sure that this is going to help the striking workers gather support from the general public.

They don’t need support from the general public. They need to put pressure on their employer.

I think you would agree that, whether you disagree or agree with the strike itself, it’s their right to strike and they believe they must strike in this way to be heard. Right?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

They don’t need support from the general public. They need to put pressure on their employer.

I think you would agree that, whether you disagree or agree with the strike itself, it’s their right to strike and they believe they must strike in this way to be heard. Right?

Definitely their right to strike. I’ve never said otherwise, so not sure where you got that from?

Surprised with the way the federal government loves to spend money that they haven’t got this done yet. For a spend happy, deficit happy government this should be right up their alley.

I’m sure Jagmeet would have given them their full ask. Agree?

[Bonded]

Yeah. Our terminal was temporarily picketed and blocked and it was about a two hour thing and was done.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Definitely their right to strike. I’ve never said otherwise, so not sure where you got that from?

Surprised with the way the federal government loves to spend money that they haven’t got this done yet. For a spend happy, deficit happy government this should be right up their alley.

I’m sure Jagmeet would have given them their full ask. Agree?

Singh is a great guy and he would have given more than the ask as a display of appreciation and to keep the employees ahead of the inflation curve.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Definitely their right to strike. I’ve never said otherwise, so not sure where you got that from?

Surprised with the way the federal government loves to spend money that they haven’t got this done yet. For a spend happy, deficit happy government this should be right up their alley.

I’m sure Jagmeet would have given them their full ask. Agree?

I never said you said otherwise, I was asking a question.

I don’t know what this has to do with Singh or deficit spending. Seems weird to get defensive over a simple question and immediately divert to other random criticisms/comments.

How do you feel about their goals and methods? Do you empathize with the workers at all?

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1651974160602603521

[TheIronMaiden]

How will I get my chinese psy opps videos now?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I never said you said otherwise, I was asking a question.

I don’t know what this has to do with Singh or deficit spending. Seems weird to get defensive over a simple question and immediately divert to other random criticisms/comments.

How do you feel about their goals and methods? Do you empathize with the workers at all?

Like I said, I am ok with the workers exercising their right to strike. I don’t think they will gather more support from the general public by inconveniencing them.

Do you think that Singh would have given them their full ask? Not a deflection, just a simple question.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Like I said, I am ok with the workers exercising their right to strike. I don’t think they will gather more support from the general public by inconveniencing them.

Do you think that Singh would have given them their full ask? Not a deflection, just a simple question.

As I said, the goal isn’t to gather public support. I was asking you how you feel about their goals and methods. No personal opinion?

And no, I don’t think Singh would have given them their full ask because, all political stuff aside, there is the obvious fact that they wouldn’t be negotiating with Singh in the same way they aren’t currently negotiating with Trudeau lol. If they were, I’d still say no, but I don’t even know the point of your hypothetical question.

Provincial NDP governments have a pretty good history of fair negotiations with unions. I don’t see why the federal NDP would be remarkably different in that regard.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

As I said, the goal isn’t to gather public support. I was asking you how you feel about their goals and methods. No personal opinion?

And no, I don’t think Singh would have given them their full ask because, all political stuff aside, there is the obvious fact that they wouldn’t be negotiating with Singh in the same way they aren’t currently negotiating with Trudeau lol. If they were, I’d still say no, but I don’t even know the point of your hypothetical question.

Provincial NDP governments have a pretty good history of fair negotiations with unions. I don’t see why the federal NDP would be remarkably different in that regard.

I think this last part comes right down to trust. Notley didn't seem to have any trouble getting unions to accept 0% under her watch, and a lot of that is trusting that Notley is going to be fair in negotiations. Conservatives and to a lesser extent Liberals are much more antagonistic towards unions, and thus when it comes time to negotiate, it is seen more as a confrontation.

So I agree, I don't think Singh would have given everything they asked, but I also think Singh would have made more concessions on things like WFH and the union wouldn't be striking.