Brad Treliving needs to go

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Nothing dumb about what he laid out ... it's logic.

They could still fire him though. They may want to lay some blame (fall guy), or they may just want a different voice in the room.

But Jiri suggesting that Treliving didn't make this decision alone, and that based on that it's unlikely they fire the guy for carrying out exactly what they signed off on isn't dumb at all.

He's the GM - of course it was his decision and ultimately his fault. For him to be a fall guy would insinuate that he did nothing wrong. As the GM he had the power to either pull the pin days, weeks ago or bring this to a head last summer when some value could be extracted.

This obsession with Treliving's hand always being tied or insinuation that he's simply carrying out orders is ridiculous. An executive that critically impugned or without autonomy to execute their own plan would never stick around unless they were completely spineless.

[Kasi]

If ownership stepped in and said no don’t trade him we want to go for a title this year than yeah that would be a bad reason to fire him. We all know Calgary management doesn’t want to stomach doing a full rebuild we think is necessary. What makes you think that same management could stomach trading their best player in a year they won the division title? Or before that year when they had just brought Sutter back this depriving him of his best player in his first full year back on the job.

[Hackey]

I used to be a Trelving fan but as time goes on he really hasn't done much. Other than the Hamilton trade most of his work has been quite average. He's made quite a few big blunders in free agency, coaching hires, Hamonic trade, etc. If the Flames had any chance of being elite he kind of blew it with those moves.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

He's the GM - of course it was his decision and ultimately his fault. For him to be a fall guy would insinuate that he did nothing wrong. As the GM he had the power to either pull the pin days, weeks ago or bring this to a head last summer when some value could be extracted.

This obsession with Treliving's hand always being tied or insinuation that he's simply carrying out orders is ridiculous. An executive that critically impugned or without autonomy to execute their own plan would never stick around unless they were completely spineless.

Every GM in the league would be getting an ownership stamp for something as big as handling your best player.

Every one.

All I've ever said on this is that this wasn't a one person decision.

If he gave the owners bad advice then you fire him for sure. I guess we'll find out.

[Big Erned Nevergivn]

It's time to move on. I have liked Treliving during his tenure here, best GM we have had since the 80's. The couple bad FA contracts and the bad coaching hires are one thing, offset by his good trades and great RFA contracts. BUT the miss handling / asset management of Gaudreau, likely meaning Tkachuk needs to also be moved, is unforgivable.

He can follow Johnny right out of town.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

GM can’t be fired because they are not the only one making decisions? That’s a dumb take

no that's not what I said.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

His job is quite literally to manage the roster and mitigate risk - he failed miserably at this and should be under the gun. Taking this down to the wire, when it was clearly not going to happen is an unmitigated disaster that is going to set this franchise back years.

GMs routinely take care of their star players well in advance, in order to avoid these types of disasters. It takes two to tango in order to work out the extension, but I sincerely find it hard to believe the Flames did not have an extremely strong indication this was going to happen 20-30 days, let alone a year ago.

Like come on, someone who is agonizing over this type of situation (Johnny) is not often doing so because they intend on staying. I still contend that any massive contract like this should never be left to the 11th hour. The Flames and Treliving should have been full on this last Summer.

Terrible day to be a Flames fan, which is made even worse by the fact that we finally had a season we've all been waiting for and now any thought of a repeat is dashed.

That season was achieved by taking this risk.

You can give up on the season for a modest return or roll the dice. He ended up being an internal rental, so it goes.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't see a 100+ point regular season as a failed hire.

The players quit on him the following year (maybe before then actually). This core group has a habit of quitting on coaches.

Maybe that changes now?

[Locke]

Well with brilliant moves like Meloche and Rooney the Redemption Arc is nigh!

[taxbuster]

Can I change my vote? This team is dealing with sharks like Lewis Gross, whom I'm expecting bargained in bad faith, leaving the moment until the end to drop the hammer...so we need a GM that thinks similarly. If the agents are going to act like a**holes, then the GMs better do the same. BT is too mild and to process-oriented to pass muster here.

FWIW, I think players have screwed themselves by doing this and going this route. Yes, it's a business, but personally, after 40 years in business management I can honestly say that I worked to NEVER burn a bridge by acting in bad faith or unprofessionally. This endless use of the old NHL guys to create bidding junk wars is poor business to me.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

And all at the price of having a bubble team for a year, instead of the best season the franchise has had in nearly two decades.

I swear, Calgary seems to be full of fans who think the object of hockey is to collect all the trading cards, and the actual games are only a distraction.



Every player goes to UFA sooner or later. If GMs routinely tried to trade them all ahead of time, nobody would be buying and you would get nothing for them.

Some poster or other (it's been a long day) said you should never let players go to UFA, because even a kid playing NHL 22 knows that. Well, this isn't NHL 22. Your particular favourite team isn't the only one run by a human being, and the other 31 teams are not run by a poorly coded AI that is not only stupid, but stupid in predictable and exploitable ways. A game will pay to take your garbage off your hands if it's programmed to do so. Human beings won't, because they don't want garbage any more than you do.

People keep saying that Gaudreau wasn't worth keeping, and then turn around and say that some other team would have given up a big pile of assets to acquire him. The sheer illogic makes my head hurt.

Hey Jay, how about you stop with talking down to anyone that doesn't agree with you.


Your rebuttal makes ZERO sense given what I wrote. Stop trying to be a bully and shouting down anyone that doesn't happen to agree with your take. Piss off.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hires? or Hire?

Gulutzan was a misfire on an up and coming young coach. Cost them two years for sure.

But Bill Peters had a pretty solid resume and coached them to the conference crown in the single season before things from the past came out and took him down.

Gulutzan
Peters
Sutter

I only see one bad "hire" in that group.

Ward?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

He's the GM - of course it was his decision and ultimately his fault. For him to be a fall guy would insinuate that he did nothing wrong. As the GM he had the power to either pull the pin days, weeks ago or bring this to a head last summer when some value could be extracted.

This obsession with Treliving's hand always being tied or insinuation that he's simply carrying out orders is ridiculous. An executive that critically impugned or without autonomy to execute their own plan would never stick around unless they were completely spineless.

You’re missing the point.

Bingo has it right. Every GM in the league would consult with ownership on a decision of this magnitude. Don’t kid yourself. I’m pretty sure I had heard over the past couple weeks that Edwards had spoken to Gaudreau as well. If you think that was the first time Edwards had either spoke to Treliving or Gaudreau, then I’m not sure what planet you live on. Let’s also not gloss over what Gaudreau had said publicly on at least two occasions, he wanted to stay. Was he actually saying behind closed doors ‘I’m out’? Doubt it. Didn’t he help bring Coleman here?

These people who are saying ‘yeah, well, the Flames should have traded him two years ago anyway’ would likely be saying the Flames should fire Treliving for trading Gaudreau for fill in the blank.

Is it time for Treliving to go? Perhaps, but not because of this. Cleveland Steam Whistle also hit the nail on the head yesterday. Being the GM of a small market Canadian team, aside from a few other American markets, I’d the toughest management gig in the NHL.

[DazzlinDino]

Treliving rolled the dice on Johnny Gaudreau. I think most of us would have done the same thing "in this situation". The Flames have been good to Johnny so I am surprised as many are at his decision. The Flames have been good to Johnny and his decision has a big negative impact on the team, It is too bad that this didnt factor in his decision to stay. Notva good time to lay blame, the Flames have to regroup find the right pieces to fit Sutter's style. If we can get a good player for the top line and add sone speed, or size I think we can make the best of a difficult situation. Sad to see Johnny go but he will always be fun for me to watch, no hard feelings, just a bit surprised.

[1_Flames_Fan]

I'm ok with Tre not overpaying for players today. Circle back and see what's on sale tomorrow .

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Can I change my vote? This team is dealing with sharks like Lewis Gross, whom I'm expecting bargained in bad faith, leaving the moment until the end to drop the hammer...so we need a GM that thinks similarly. If the agents are going to act like a**holes, then the GMs better do the same. BT is too mild and to process-oriented to pass muster here.

FWIW, I think players have screwed themselves by doing this and going this route. Yes, it's a business, but personally, after 40 years in business management I can honestly say that I worked to NEVER burn a bridge by acting in bad faith or unprofessionally. This endless use of the old NHL guys to create bidding junk wars is poor business to me.

I know everyone is bitter and emotional, but I just don't see it.

Gross and Gaudreau didn't insist the Flames wait until the 12th to table their absolute best offer.

There was always a balance between the Flames best offer and their read on his preferred markets. If the Flames offer were 5% higher and they read the markets to be a bit weaker, I think it's possible he re-signs.

[Badgers Nose]

Too many F bombs, sorry

[Moneyhands23]

I hope we can move Tkachuk to jersey now (assuming he isn't interested in a long term deal)

[CSharp]

Better move Tkachuk now before he walks and Flames get nothing again. Maybe fire Tre so that none of this crap happens again!

[Moneyhands23]

Ya, I think the players hate Tre.