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[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Can anyone really explain how we aquire McDavid lite and only give up our 4th line Center and healthy scratch Dman off the current roster? Seems far fetched at best especially when you consider Monahan has a lnmc that likely has Buffalo as a no go. If we are getting Eichel it is not gonna be that pain free.

Re. Monahan and NTC … the idea being floated is that next year, being a contract year, he’d rather have the opportunity to play 1C and showcase. He’ll only get that opportunity in Buffalo.

Alternative being he stays here and is stuck playing behind Eichel and Lindholm.

Not saying it’s likely. But that’s the logic.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Can anyone really explain how we aquire McDavid lite and only give up our 4th line Center and healthy scratch Dman off the current roster? Seems far fetched at best especially when you consider Monahan has a lnmc that likely has Buffalo as a no go. If we are getting Eichel it is not gonna be that pain free.

Because of the futures that would also be included

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Probably already mentioned, but I have to wonder with Vegas struggling with injuries and results, they may be less willing to give up unprotected picks while the Flames may be willing to give up at least one unprotected pick. That could be a big difference in the value.

I speculated exactly this last week. I think it's probably the big reason we're still in it. Coronato's hot start might be turning more heads too.

Monahan+Valimaki+Coronato+1st 2021.
Steep price but I think it would be worth it. Also it meets Buffalo's original ask of 4 - 1sts, if you assign Monahan a 1sts worth of value.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Can anyone really explain how we aquire McDavid lite and only give up our 4th line Center and healthy scratch Dman off the current roster? Seems far fetched at best especially when you consider Monahan has a lnmc that likely has Buffalo as a no go. If we are getting Eichel it is not gonna be that pain free.

For one thing, Sean Monahan is not a fourth line centre.

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[Iginla]

I selfishly hope we don't trade Coronato. I know prospects are hard to predict, but he's one of the few picks in the last decade I actually wanted.

[bzoo02]

I wonder if Vegas does effectively trade for Eichel then flips him to the Flames for warm bodies so they can salvage their season.

Keep in mind they will have Stone, Karlsson, Patrick returning soon then potentially Pacioretty in 2-3 months. Tuch back in time for playoffs.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Can anyone really explain how we aquire McDavid lite and only give up our 4th line Center and healthy scratch Dman off the current roster? Seems far fetched at best especially when you consider Monahan has a lnmc that likely has Buffalo as a no go. If we are getting Eichel it is not gonna be that pain free.

Eichel isn’t McDavid lite - but he is right in the conversation with MacKinnon and Matthews. So you still do it.

It’ll cost four 1st round picks. Some combination of:

Pelletier/Zary
Coronato
22 1st
23 1st

The stuff off the roster is for cap purposes. Switch Valimaki with Zadorov, because his $4M ticket makes it easier for the math to work.

Monahan may need to go to a 3rd team - that 3rd team could even be Vegas.

These futures buy us Eichel, but they also allow us to not include Dube and Mangiapane, and also improve our chances to retain Gaudreau - I would not be surprised if a Johnny extension was announced along with the Eichel acquisition.

If you were trading Dube or Bread or Johnny, you’d expect a 1st back at minimum anyway.

That’s my read on it, anyway. I could be way off.

[Iginla]

I don't agree with "It'll cost 4 1sts". That's what I read everywhere, that Buffalo wanted. If they got offered that, wouldn't it be done by now?

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

I wonder if Vegas does effectively trade for Eichel then flips him to the Flames for warm bodies so they can salvage their season.

Keep in mind they will have Stone, Karlsson, Patrick returning soon then potentially Pacioretty in 2-3 months. Tuch back in time for playoffs.

I don’t think they will be trading him to a division rival. This scenario is very unlikely in my opinion.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Monahan+Valimaki+Coronato+1st 2021.
Steep price but I think it would be worth it. Also it meets Buffalo's original ask of 4 - 1sts, if you assign Monahan a 1sts worth of value.

That was their ask, but I doubt they have the leverage to get that. I also wouldn't trade Coronato because he's a right shooting RW that can finish with the best. We could really use that. I'd probably be okay with one of Zary or Pelletier, but would prefer to make it just picks. We need the young players we have.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

I wonder if Vegas does effectively trade for Eichel then flips him to the Flames for warm bodies so they can salvage their season.

Keep in mind they will have Stone, Karlsson, Patrick returning soon then potentially Pacioretty in 2-3 months. Tuch back in time for playoffs.

And then we flip him to the Rangers for Zibanejad & Kakko. Then they flip him to Anaheim for Terry & Zegras. Eichel then goes in for disc replacement surgery but comes out with botox injections and a nose job.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I was listening to the Hockey PDOcast recently and they made a good point (in my eyes): Calgary needs to increase their risk profile and increase their range of outcomes. They’ve been so conservative for so long, all they get are the same results (as they put it “the definition of average”). They need to introduce risk, so that they begin to see different results rather than just being average.

On that same episode (415), Johnston and Emily Kaplan both confirm Calgary as being in on this.

This is exactly it.

Being conservative has gotten us nowhere.

The last big player for player movement was a few years ago with the hurricanes.

Since then we've sat on our picks, accumulated some and outside of dealing the odd third for fringe players we've just drafted and developed.

For a team in a Sutter window we have to make some kind of play if we want to move out of that middle ground, more so now that guys are expiring. Give them a reason to re-sign that says "we're going for it and you have a shot to win here"

This acquisition would semd Tkachuk and Gaudreau that message. Maybe we score a discount.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

For one thing, Sean Monahan is not a fourth line centre.

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Yeah, true 4th liners typically are not on the PP1. Monahan on the "4th line" is more about spreading out the offense and managing his ice-time due to his recovery from injury. He is easily a 2nd line player on a lot of teams, especially as he continues to recover.

[Duffalufagus]

Am I the only one who thinks the ask for this guy is way too high given the risk?

[HighLifeMan]

It's funny to me how many around here view Monahan as a cap dump - especially after a summer where Rasmus Ristolainen with just one year remaining returned the 14th overall pick and a future 2nd at his full salary and had multiple teams interested in him at that price.

General managers have a long memory. Sean Monahan is a capable top six center that has had one poor season playing through a publicly known injury.

Do you think Treliving views Monahan as a cap dump? I sure as hell don't, and nor should he. Monahan at 50% retention should easily return Buffalo a 1st round pick (+) by himself.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Am I the only one who thinks the ask for this guy is way too high given the risk?

The rumoured ask and some of the suggested packages are probably too high; I don't put much stock in a lot of these actually representing what is being bandied about in negotiations.

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[SeanCharles]

Pellitier, Zary, ‘22 1st, ‘23 1st, Zadorov

Trade Lucic and Monahan in the offseason, with 1 yr left each, for futures.

Re-sign our 3 main FA forwards and Pitlick:

Gaudreau-Eichel-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Dube-Mangiapane
Coleman-Backlund-Pitlick
Pospisil/Ruzicka/Duehr/Lewis/Richardson/Ritchie

Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Tanev
Valimaki-Gudbranson
Mackey-Stone

Markstrom
Vladar

Pipe dream right?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Am I the only one who thinks the ask for this guy is way too high given the risk?

If it makes you feel better, it’s probably going to end up being less than what we’ve all discussed.

Coronato
Francis
1st, 2022
2nd, 2022
5th, 2023

+ salary.

Which is all the more reason not to balk at including something extra to secure the bag.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

I wonder if Vegas does effectively trade for Eichel then flips him to the Flames for warm bodies so they can salvage their season.

Keep in mind they will have Stone, Karlsson, Patrick returning soon then potentially Pacioretty in 2-3 months. Tuch back in time for playoffs.

I don't think it would happen that way.

My gut would be you actually see whatever "Cap Pieces" we send to Buffalo end up going Vegas's way.

Example:

Flames move Monahan, 1st 2022, Zary, Valimaki to Buffalo.

Then Buffalo takes Monahan, retains $2M and flips him to Vegas for a 1st.

Vegas gets the help they need at C without breaking the bank from a Cap/Asset perspective.

Buffalo gets another piece of futures.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Am I the only one who thinks the ask for this guy is way too high given the risk?

Subtract the risk, and the ask for this guy is much, much, much higher. I think the last time a centre of his calibre was moved in his prime would have been Lindros, and it still cost the Flyers Peter Forsberg PLUS!