[PGT] Golden Knights 4 - Flames 2

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Well not calling the timeout sure didn't help anything, did it?

Would it have killed him to call a time out? No.

Would it MAYBE have given Frolik a chance to recover from the biggest mistake of his career? Maybe. But maybe is better than doing nothing.

The guy passed it to an area with 2 teammates. Not a great pass but Smith’s response made it a mistake.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

The guy passed it to an area with 2 teammates. Not a great pass but Smith’s response made it a mistake.

PASS?!

There were also 2 Knights players in the zone

Frolik is 100% responsible, just ask him...Smith was likely in as much shock as the rest of us

[DeluxeMoustache]

Yes, pass. What else could it be?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, the GWG could be pinned on Hamilton. I’m not sure what he was doing and why they let Vegas chip it in the middle for Marchessault to pick up so easily.

I didn’t like Smith on the tying goal. Caught napping.

His player had the puck a few feet from the blue line...probably didn't expect the guy to take a shot on him lol

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yes, pass. What else could it be?

Its a pretty hard pass...slap pass/shot and a ridiculous play to make

Blaming it on anyone else is asinine

[CroFlames]

Uh, your mustache must have gotten in the way of your viewing or something because there is literally no way you can blame Smith for anything there.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I've read posts on this board about other teams and how they are fun to watch. During the 58 minutes that CGY played 'good hockey' was that entertaining hockey?

Last night followed a pattern, grinding game with CGY 'breaking out' by pushing the puck up the boards. To their credit they get a lead but subsequently sit back lobbing pucks into the neutral zone to allow opponent to wind up and walk in because CGY is giving up the blue and playing defensive shell hockey.

If I wasn't a long time fan of the team I wouldn't watch them because it's not entertaining. There are no plays in the middle of the ice, there is no creativity, there are no defensemen joining the attack, the strength of this team was supposed to be a mobile, offensive blueline.

The offense is not a function of creating plays but of grinding and lucky bounces. Save for that Monahan tic tac toe goal recently.

It's just too conservative and not fun to watch.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't get this.

Frolik is one of the most dependable wingers on the team, hell the whole league. If you want to bank on a guy that will be money in helping respond to a gaff he's the guy.

The line itself is the league's second best possession line and had scored the go head goal late in the second.

Leaving them out there wasn't a bush league coach move, it was hockey. It happens. A series of bad bounces and occurrences and the game blew up.

Don't over think this people.

What's not to get? Frolik just came back from a broken jaw, are people totally clueless like our coach? He was very likely gassed and not thinking straight so he made a mistake. Understandable. Guess who our wonderful coach put right back out there.

People excusing this have lost their minds.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zamler

What's not to get? Frolik just came back from a broken jaw, are people totally clueless like our coach? He was very likely gassed and not thinking straight so he made a mistake. Understandable. Guess who our wonderful coach put right back out there.

People excusing this have lost their minds.

Frolik was fine all game. There was absolutely nothing indicating he'd mess up like that.

As for putting him back out there, lots of coaches let a player go right after a mistake in the thought that he will make up for it. Frolik isn't the kind of guy you'd think would fall apart like that.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Frolik was fine all game. There was absolutely nothing indicating he'd mess up like that.

As for putting him back out there, lots of coaches let a player go right after a mistake in the thought that he will make up for it. Frolik isn't the kind of guy you'd think would fall apart like that.

Not with a couple mins left in the game. Get a new line out there see what happens and if it goes OT Frolik comes back and plays.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Frolik was fine all game. There was absolutely nothing indicating he'd mess up like that.

As for putting him back out there, lots of coaches let a player go right after a mistake in the thought that he will make up for it. Frolik isn't the kind of guy you'd think would fall apart like that.

Fine, the collective on CP wins. GG made the right choice the loss was a total fluke and could not have been prevented. No way the Flames could have got the game to OT, a timeout would have made no difference at all. There was no need to settle the club down after a terrible gaffe.

[colbym72]

Originally Posted by zamler

What's not to get? Frolik just came back from a broken jaw, are people totally clueless like our coach? He was very likely gassed and not thinking straight so he made a mistake. Understandable. Guess who our wonderful coach put right back out there.

People excusing this have lost their minds.

But we don't know this! So can we not make assumptions? You can't make stuff up to fit your narrative. I think we all just need some chill. It was an extremely weird ending and it sucks but the sky isn't falling. Hopefully the team recovers from this. It's all going to be okay

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zamler

Fine, the collective on CP wins. GG made the right choice the loss was a total fluke and could not have been prevented. No way the Flames could have got the game to OT, a timeout would have made no difference at all. There was no need to settle the club down after a terrible gaff.

Did I say he made the right choice? It obviously wasn't since it didn't pan out.
What I was saying is that it wasn't some off the wall, crazy decision that no one in their right mind would do.

Timeouts are overrated - there's not much more time than the amount between the goal and the faceoff anyway.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by colbym72

But we don't know this! So can we not make assumptions?

Have you ever heard of being in game shape? No matter how much a player practices and works out it does not replace actually playing the games. Even more of a factor when said player comes back from an injury that often prevents them from getting proper nutrition and calories for a time.

You consider the above an assumption? Jesus this place sometimes.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Not with a couple mins left in the game. Get a new line out there see what happens and if it goes OT Frolik comes back and plays.

Why not, unless Frolik was at the end of a shift? His line is the best defensive line on the team. I think it was fair to expect them to tighten it up. But they didn't. And it wasn't all on Frolik, either.

[colbym72]

Originally Posted by zamler

Have you ever heard of being in game shape? No matter how much a player practices and works out it does not replace actually playing the games. Even more of a factor when said player comes back from an injury that often prevents them from getting proper nutrition and calories for a time.

You consider the above an assumption? Jesus this place sometimes.

I do consider it an assumption because there is no way for us to know he was exhausted. You can wonder, but we do not know. Sometimes players just make mistakes. Was Fleury exhausted when he dove across the net and looked stupid?

[flames_fan13]

Originally Posted by zamler

Fine, the collective on CP wins. GG made the right choice the loss was a total fluke and could not have been prevented. No way the Flames could have got the game to OT, a timeout would have made no difference at all. There was no need to settle the club down after a terrible gaffe.

I don't think that's what people are saying at all. It wasn't just one mistake that led to the loss. At the time of the second goal there was no way to tell that the team would react to the mistake the way they did. It wasn't putting that line back out their that cost the Flames a win or point. A line that has been the team's most reliable for over a season and a half. Just the mistakes in the game came at the wrong time. Not being ready after losing the face off. Giordano losing position on the shooter, and Smith not having a shot he usually saves.

[Toonage]

The weird part in all this are Frolik's now oddly prophetic (probably not the right word) comments after the practice yesterday. Talked about how being in a game was different than being in a practice, how he would just make the simple plays.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Uh, your mustache must have gotten in the way of your viewing or something because there is literally no way you can blame Smith for anything there.

I dunno. Gulutzan agreed that it was a pass. Didn’t call it a good one.

If it was a pass, Smith, who loves to play the puck should be alert.
If you want to call it a shot, it was a muffin and Smith’s rebound placement was atrocious.

I think that what I will call a pass surprised Smith and I think he was caught napping. And I think he played it wrong as a result. And I think that his reaction reflected that.

We can agree to disagree.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't get this.

Frolik is one of the most dependable wingers on the team, hell the whole league. If you want to bank on a guy that will be money in helping respond to a gaff he's the guy.

The line itself is the league's second best possession line and had scored the go head goal late in the second.

Leaving them out there wasn't a bush league coach move, it was hockey. It happens. A series of bad bounces and occurrences and the game blew up.

Don't over think this people.

While your take on Gulutzan's reasoning for sending him right back out there is likely spot on, there's still no consideration made for the emotion in that equation. That, and the fact that it was another momentum swing in the opposite direction. Sure, Frolik is normally, on any given day, one of your most reliable defensive wingers out there. So Gulutzan played the numbers game. He blindly sends out 3M + Gio / Dougie and hoped it would be enough to at least finish the game strongly.

However, the gravity of the situation here matters as he'd just coughed away the lead in a game that the Flames had under control, and did so with an incredibly uncharacteristic mistake that isn't acceptable at even youth hockey levels.

Sending them back out there is not the problem. Sending them back out there shell-shocked is the real issue. If you're going to put Frolik right back out there, call the timeout first so everyone has a bit of room to clear their heads and focus on finishing the game out. Not just that line either that needed it, the entire team was clinging by a toenail after the tying goal. Dougie made a bad decision, Gio played the 1 on 1 terribly, and Smith didn't seem to know how to play the angle at all.

Glen needs to be a better leader and manage the emotional flow of a game as well rather than try to spend the whole time outsmarting the guy across the bench.