[News] Head coach Bob Hartley fired; Associate coach Jacques Cloutier not returning

[Calgary4LIfe]

Well, Darryl Sutter has won 2 cups recently. That is immediate respect in the room by the players. Hard ass coaches who won are always more respected and listened to than hard ass coaches who don't win. As for Giordano and his link to Sutter - there is no bad blood there. Remember that Sutter openly praised Giordano and told the media that his ability to trade away Phaneuf was in large measure to how good Giordano was.

One thing that I haven't seen stated here - if for no other reason, I would simply love to see Francis absolutely lose it if Sutter is hired. Sutter put him in his place a couple of times during press conferences.

At any rate, I don't think Boudreau is the guy. Boudreau won't last long on the market, and Treliving apparently isn't going to be interviewing anyone until after he gets back according to Burke. If there is any link between Boudreau getting canned and Hartley getting canned, it was as Burke stated - to be as fair to Hartley as possible and allowing him a chance at the various head coaching vacancies before they get filled up.

[Erick Estrada]

Lets remember just because Treliving is out of the country, Burke is still around and he is likely having preliminary discussions with candidates. Treliving will ultimately have the final decision but I'm sure Burke is able to court possible candidates and pick their brains as he and Treliving are likely on the same page on what the coach needs to have and can sell a guy like Boudreau on the opportunity of coaching the Flames. There is no rush for a guy like Boudreau as he knows he has a few good opportunities and personally the Flames is a great one because they are in mid-build where a coach can come in and groom a nice roster of young talented players, players in their prime and a great veteran captain. I can't see how he would view the other opportunities as better ones as you have the pressure cooker in Minneapolis where it's an expensive roster of veteran players that can't get over the playoff hump and Ottawa where they fire their coaches every two years and the owner is a goof. Calgary looks like as good an opportunity as there is around the league.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Lets remember just because Treliving is out of the country, Burke is still around and he is likely having preliminary discussions with candidates. Treliving will ultimately have the final decision but I'm sure Burke is able to court possible candidates and pick their brains as he and Treliving are likely on the same page on what the coach needs to have and can sell a guy like Boudreau on the opportunity of coaching the Flames.

Well, if you listened to what Burke said (and believed him), he is leaving it all up to Treliving to manage.

Burke stated that he does interviews 365 days a year. The most candidates he has ever interviewed for a job has been 2. During an interview, the candidate can lose the job if he says something stupid, but he isn't going to get the job because of the interview.

He said that he doesn't know how Treliving is going to run it. He said he may interview 20 candidates, or just have one or two in mind - it will be up to him. Burke will just be part of the process once Treliving finds his guy, as he said that King is part of the process when Burke hires a guy.

From that I would assume that Burke has probably told Treliving about guys whom Treliving is unfamiliar with and are available, but he probably hasn't recommended anyone per se, and I seriously doubt that he will be interviewing or looking for a coach on Treliving's behalf.

This will be Treliving's hire. If he fails, it is on Treliving, even if Burke was to hire someone. The GM is always linked to the coach. I don't think Burke is going to overstep his bounds here. I am sure Treliving would prefer to hire 'his guy' this time around. The organization and media were very high on Troy Ward, even listing him as a strong candidate for the head coaching position before Hartley was hired, and he was looked upon as the 'head coach in waiting'. Treliving got rid of him and got 'his guy'. It is happening at the head coach level now.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Well, if you listened to what Burke said (and believed him), he is leaving it all up to Treliving to manage.

Burke stated that he does interviews 365 days a year. The most candidates he has ever interviewed for a job has been 2. During an interview, the candidate can lose the job if he says something stupid, but he isn't going to get the job because of the interview.

He said that he doesn't know how Treliving is going to run it. He said he may interview 20 candidates, or just have one or two in mind - it will be up to him. Burke will just be part of the process once Treliving finds his guy, as he said that King is part of the process when Burke hires a guy.

From that I would assume that Burke has probably told Treliving about guys whom Treliving is unfamiliar with and are available, but he probably hasn't recommended anyone per se, and I seriously doubt that he will be interviewing or looking for a coach on Treliving's behalf.

This will be Treliving's hire. If he fails, it is on Treliving, even if Burke was to hire someone. The GM is always linked to the coach. I don't think Burke is going to overstep his bounds here. I am sure Treliving would prefer to hire 'his guy' this time around. The organization and media were very high on Troy Ward, even listing him as a strong candidate for the head coaching position before Hartley was hired, and he was looked upon as the 'head coach in waiting'. Treliving got rid of him and got 'his guy'. It is happening at the head coach level now.

Burke is Treliving's boss. Do you really think Burke is that hand's off in his president's role that he has no idea what Treliving is planning? You can bet he knows exactly what Treliving plans as he's simply saying the right things to the media as he doesn't want to step on Treliving's toes. He wants to ensure that people in the media and fans aren't running around saying Treliving is his puppet. It's going to be Treliving's hire but that doesn't mean Burke can't help with the recruiting.

[Toonage]

I've had to conduct job interviews via conference call. I'm sure Treliving can/will do the same from overseas if required. He doesn't need to be sitting across the table from someone.

[cannon7]

Does Boudreau get Babcock money? My guess is he comes pretty darn close.

[taxbuster]

Have just been able to get my head up from under tax returns....now finally have time to do something fun - like speculate on Flames' next moves!

Surprised? Yes and no. Not surprised that Bob is gone, but somewhat at the timing. I get it though -- try to get a new guy before the draft and free agency, so you know the style of player the coach can work best with.

Sad? Yes - thought Hartley got the most out of young guys - and helped them be a team. So much respect for the fact that the guys - to a person - in interviews always praised the team for successes, and took it on themselves for failures. That is a true "team culture" and it is not easily built.

Happy? Yup - that too...got tired of seeing Wideman on the PP or in the last minutes of a losing game. Got tired of the stretch pass being intercepted time and again with no meaningful rejoinder by the team. Tired of the slack PP/PK at times. As I don't know anyone on the team it's just speculation, but it seemed they were just grumpy that they weren't further ahead and just didn't want to work as hard as they needed to (or were being asked to?).

Thoughts about the candidates mentioned so far:

Please - preferably just "no": Crawford, Wilson, Carlyle (not unless they have change a LOT), Eakins (read somewhere that Burke/BT really like him....yikes!)

Boudreau? Maybe - but strikes me as a bit of a Todd McLellan - couldn't win with an A-list roster. Still, you learn by losing. (Maybe only true in Edmonton though.)

Darryl? Wouldn't that be interesting? Brings a sharp edge to teams, doesn't settle for players taking shifts off - and I think he'd bench a guy like Wideman for being lazy in a heartbeat.

Beats me who else they might look at. I read the comments about timing it to BB's firing, but find it hard to imagine that if they hadn't already talked with him. And it sounds like BB is talking to at least two other teams, both of whom may be better suited to his style.

Lots to look forward to!

[flamesfan1297]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Does Boudreau get Babcock money? My guess is he comes pretty darn close.

Doubt it. Probably gets Todd Mclellan money, or Quennville money. Whatever that may be

[FanIn80]

So has there been any word yet on whom (if anyone) we've talked to?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

So has there been any word yet on whom (if anyone) we've talked to?

Dave Nonis

[Otto-matic]

"We took a veteran team and we re-tooled it into a much younger hockey club. I think we're very proud of this foundation today," -- Hartley

"I really believe with the Edmonton Oilers and ourselves, we have the two youngest power-plays," said Hartley. Cited face-offs as an issue.

"We cultivated pride. And today, in my situation, I'm the one that needs to show pride," -- Hartley

Thanks to Kristen Odland's twitter for these!

[pacde]

on the radio now

[pacde]

I realize now how much I might miss Hartley, So much positive stuff to say. Real winner

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Burke is Treliving's boss. Do you really think Burke is that hand's off in his president's role that he has no idea what Treliving is planning? You can bet he knows exactly what Treliving plans as he's simply saying the right things to the media as he doesn't want to step on Treliving's toes. He wants to ensure that people in the media and fans aren't running around saying Treliving is his puppet. It's going to be Treliving's hire but that doesn't mean Burke can't help with the recruiting.

The way I see it Burke and Treliving work together to create a contingency plan, or a numbered list of ideal candidates. They list out the pros and cons of each candidate. Then the rest is up to Treliving, he's not going to be the pure idea maker but the entire process of communicating with and acquiring a new coaching staff is likely up to Treliving.

It's his job to man the phones and make the deals happen, he will likely target a select few ideal candidates and work his way down.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by saillias

That's not the context at all.

The entire 960 radio crew has a wide variety of anecdotes and stories that they are hesitant to share these past couple days because they didn't want to come off as bashing a guy as he gets shown the door. Even Loubardias yesterday when Steinberg had him on repeated the number 1 thing is "how you deal with people."

Things they did share:
-Coburn has a is rumored to have a clause in his contract that he can't be traded to a team coached by Hartley
-Warrener knows and is friends with many guys who do not like or respect Hartley and wouldn't want to play for him
-One thing that really didn't sit well with this team, this past season, was when they were on that home-ice winning streak Hartley didn't let up or give them any off-days. I'm not sure how big of a deal this is but this is what they shared, this really disheartened the team, according to the 960 guys.

does colborne have a new contract or are we talking coburn in tampa?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by handgroen

does colborne have a new contract or are we talking coburn in tampa?

Pretty sure it's TB Coburn.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Dave Nonis

Please tell me this is a joke

[Otto-matic]

Hartley "I feel very sad that I in't get the opportunity to keep working with the organization" #Flames

Jermain Franklin ‏@TSNJFranklin 1h1 hour ago Calgary, Alberta
Hartley "In my 4 years I went through three general managers..." Jay Feaster, Brian Burke and Brad Treliving.

Hartley grateful to Burke and Treliving for the opportunity to coach despite not being their hire. They could've "swept him under the rug"

Hartley didn't want the call to end without saying a heartfelt thank you to Al MacNeil. Said MacNeil had great stories and was his mentor

[Huntingwhale]

I'm going to miss Hartley. While I think it will be the right move going forward, the guy truly did bleed Flames' colours. I'm going to miss him wearing the Flaming C. He was a true gentlemen with fans and media and really understood the importance of playing with pride. Something the team was desperately missing when he was hired.

I can honestly say that out of all the coaches I've watched since I've started paying attention to Flames' hockey sinceI was a kid, Hartley is the first one I'm truly sad to see go.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I've had to conduct job interviews via conference call. I'm sure Treliving can/will do the same from overseas if required. He doesn't need to be sitting across the table from someone.

Yeah, I did a Skype interview from a beach in Australia a couple years ago. Easy as pie. No need to physically be back at home.