I hope one day we get there, and don't really doubt we will. No one has yet. True AI has been a dream for decades. I'd predict companies that integrate many sensor inputs will make do without true AI and have the most competent systems. When will we get AI like Musk says we will need? Who knows. I'm not convinced he does either.
I am not really convinced. I think we'll probably have flying cars before that, and then paths along the z-axis open everything up to where you only need to worry about collisions, not staying on roads or navigating turns without hitting pedestrians.
That said, I don't know if they have the ethics worked out. Impending accident - does it allow the occupant of the car to be killed in order to save another life(s)? I am kind of curious how they would solve that. Does 85 year old occupant and car drive off a bridge if it means avoiding a collision with a 35 year old man?
No radar, no lidar... eh, as a radar detector user who isn't buying a Tesla, anything that reduces potential for false alerts is a plus in my books.
Although I still have to question the removal of radar sensors from Tesla's current autopilot system.
I think he's just saving face with supply chain problems. Can't acquire the hardware, so says it's better without it and tries to sell the absence of it as a feature.
He must be, because suggesting that the current road system is designed to be interpreted by 'brains with eyes' is why we only need 'real AI' (only!) and cameras to properly navigate it is ridiculous. If all we're doing is meeting the bar of 'human drivers' then what the hell is the point, we already have those. If humans had the added context of radar or lidar information, we'd be able to make faster and better informed decisions on the road.
I think he's just saving face with supply chain problems. Can't acquire the hardware, so says it's better without it and tries to sell the absence of it as a feature.
No, this has been his strategy for years. Vision only, because it's cheap, and humans can do it. I think he underestimated the "thinking" abilities required, but as they cycle through these betas finding endless edge cases that require thinking to solve, they are comnig to the realization this is really really hard.
When you look at it in the context of his promises, you can see he thought this would be a lot easier. This most recent tweet is just an acknowledgment of how big the challenge is. Eight years of "coming next year."
I think he made a pretty major mistake, because I think you can do self driving without real AI with enough good inputs.
He is going to be forced to either release some mediocre product, or admit it's going to take a long time and refund millions in self driving packages he sold that the owner never received, and can't receive. I see it as a pretty massive liability hanging over them, which is why he has to keep convincing us they can make it work. But convincing regulators is going to be a hell of a lot harder than convincing Tesla-stans.
Watching the newest builds, it's still incredibly unsafe, and easily confused, and requires drivers to be at the ready constantly to take over. This is for city driving, it seems to be pretty good on highways and roads.
I think he's just saving face with supply chain problems. Can't acquire the hardware, so says it's better without it and tries to sell the absence of it as a feature.
No I think it's cost cutting as far as I know no automakers have been removing radar sensors nor have I heard of a shortage. Autopilot has been worse without them as well. They also removed power lumbar support for the passenger seat and homekit as well. Really the Model 3 & Y are strippers compared to equivalently prices vehicles as well as other EV's.
Happened across this video which is in Calgary with the newest "FSD" beta in the snow. I wish it was a longer video with more scenarios, but what is there is not good. Best to skip to 1:45(stopped way back from the line) and watch the Tesla sketch out and try to smash things(2:50, 4:00). I thought they were further along than this...
Happened across this video which is in Calgary with the newest "FSD" beta in the snow. I wish it was a longer video with more scenarios, but what is there is not good. Best to skip to 1:45(stopped way back from the line) and watch the Tesla sketch out and try to smash things(2:50, 4:00). I thought they were further along than this...
That is horrendously bad. If the guy wasn't gripping the wheel he would have smashed into several vehicles or curbs.
That is horrendously bad. If the guy wasn't gripping the wheel he would have smashed into several vehicles or curbs.
On a side note, what an ugly interior.
It's like driving an Ipad, I couldn't stand it.
I've really disliked Musk for years and wouldn't support his company, so I'm happy to see the other EVs come out. I wouldn't buy one anytime soon myself, I know it's likely just a matter of time.
I've really disliked Musk for years and wouldn't support his company, so I'm happy to see the other EVs come out. I wouldn't buy one anytime soon myself, I know it's likely just a matter of time.
My thoughts exactly. That hyundai looks pretty nice. Also, the mustang Mach e. There will be lots of non-tesla choices very soon.
I will definitely have one ev before 5 years from now. I'll have to keep the f150 for camping, hauling, long distances etc for the foreseeable future unless tech changes faster than I think.
My human eyes can barely make out the lines on the road in many winter conditions and I have to imagine my lane by using a ton of situational factors, years of driving experience, and intuition/prediction.
Tesla vision FSD is fine if you live in California but no where in Canada.
I can't believe people are paying $10K for the self driving packages or the monthly license fee to use the betas. Seems like a big scam.
I can't believe there haven't been lawsuits yet as its obviously a big scam.
I assume that Tesla has fine print in the agreement that makes a lawsuit difficult to win. Elon says FSD will be completed by end of 2022 but everyone knows that's not going to happen as they haven't really make much progress. Mercedes beat them to level 3 hands free and I'm surprised investors aren't turning up the heat on Musk.
I assume that Tesla has fine print in the agreement that makes a lawsuit difficult to win. Elon says FSD will be completed by end of 2022 but everyone knows that's not going to happen as they haven't really make much progress. Mercedes beat them to level 3 hands free and I'm surprised investors aren't turning up the heat on Musk.
Musk has been saying FSD will be done every year since, oh, 2015 or so(ok, 2 years from then).
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“I think we have all the pieces, and it’s just about refining those pieces, putting them in place, and making sure they work across a huge number of environments—and then we’re done,” Musk told Fortune with assuredness during his commute to SpaceX headquarters in Hawthorne, Calif., where he is also CEO. “It’s a much easier problem than people think it is. But it’s not like George Hotz, a one-guy-and-three-months problem. You know, it’s more like, thousands of people for two years.”
Tesla CEO Elon Musk said on Saturday that making a self-driving car was harder than he expected, after the company's timeline for its latest Full Self-Driving (FSD) software slipped again.
Self-driving was a "hard problem" that "requires solving a large part of real-world AI," Musk tweeted.
"Didn't expect it to be so hard, but the difficulty is obvious in retrospect," he said.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk has been overstating the capabilities of the company’s advanced driver assist system, the company’s director of Autopilot software told the California Department of Motor Vehicles. The comments came from a memo released by legal transparency group PlainSite, which obtained the documents from a public records request.
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In an earnings call in January(2021), Musk told investors that he was “highly confident the car will be able to drive itself with reliability in excess of human this year.”
Meanwhile, he keeps charging more for the feature. I think a lawsuit would be a slam dunk given his history of either lying or being really wrong.
If that's the case surely an American would have tried if only to capitalize personally as we are talking about a country where people regularly try to sue fast food outlets for hot beverages being too hot and burning them.
If that's the case surely an American would have tried if only to capitalize personally as we are talking about a country where people regularly try to sue fast food outlets for hot beverages being too hot and burning them.
The only thing I can think of is the only people paying for it are so deep in the Tesla hole they can't admit to themselves, let alone thew world, they were deceived. They think it is happening.
If that's the case surely an American would have tried if only to capitalize personally as we are talking about a country where people regularly try to sue fast food outlets for hot beverages being too hot and burning them.
I assume that Tesla has fine print in the agreement that makes a lawsuit difficult to win. Elon says FSD will be completed by end of 2022 but everyone knows that's not going to happen as they haven't really make much progress. Mercedes beat them to level 3 hands free and I'm surprised investors aren't turning up the heat on Musk.
I believe there is provisions that release the owner/driver from suing due to damages as a result of the cars software?
Not sure legality. there was the one guy in SF that was killed when his autopilot put him into a guard rail?
"It's financially insane to buy anything other than a Tesla," Musk said in April 2019. "If you buy a car that does not have the hardware necessary for full self-driving, it is like buying a horse."
