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CorsiHockeyLeague · 03-02-2015, 05:05 PM

Right; Brandon Saad too, but in the first rounders. 11-30 are really just starting to make their way into the league full time.

EDIT: Wait, Kucherov has 100 NHL GP? I don't believe it.

Phanuthier · 03-02-2015, 05:07 PM

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Is Gaudreau established?

whelp he did just go to the NHL All Star game....

Hackey · 03-02-2015, 05:07 PM

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I am with the poor asset management opinion. You just don't let this stuff come to the wire and make a desperation move.

Sven hasn't really shown to be that selfish or 1-dimensioned, but he sure got called out for it. This is the kind of thing that breeds a future flames killer in the division.

If they knew he was flat out not resigning, then add him to a package for an asset. Just getting a later 2nd for him is a poor return.

It's 2015 not 2011.

DiracSpike · 03-02-2015, 05:08 PM

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Are you kidding me? Of the 180 players selected after Jankowski only 7 have played more than the max number to be still considered a rookie. Jankowski has potential to be a top six player and has the size, skill, skating ability and smarts to be an exceptional checking center, playing behind Bennett and Monahan. Get a grip man. He's still developing and developing well.

Maybe....but I'd feel a lot better about the rebuild if the Flames took the projected defenseman at 22 who is already an NHL regular and played in the Olympics. Jankowski didn't even come close to making a world jr team.

home_sweet_dome · 03-02-2015, 05:08 PM

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Has anyone drafted outside the top ten in 2011 really established themselves yet?

Yes, Johnny fricken Hockey.

Lanny_McDonald · 03-02-2015, 05:09 PM

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Ya but you also have to consider that we dropped from 14 to pick him. All 7 of the players selected from 14 to 21 have played in the NHL and 4 of them have played over 100 games. Jankowski might turn out to be a player but I think there were a lot less risky picks we could have selected. I'd say it's more likely right now that he doesn't turn into an impact player than he does but that's just my take. I would much rather a Hertl, Girgenson, Maata, Ceci, Wilson, or even Teravainen.

We also got Sieloff out of the equation. We got two players in key positions we were extremely weak. It was a good hockey deal for a team entering a rebuild. Still is.

devo22 · 03-02-2015, 05:09 PM

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EDIT: Wait, Kucherov has 100 NHL GP? I don't believe it.

116 actually. 52 last year, 64 this year.

Cheerio · 03-02-2015, 05:09 PM

Are all players from the 2011 draft waiver eligible next season?

devo22 · 03-02-2015, 05:10 PM

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Are all players from the 2011 draft waiver eligible next season?

no, that has to do with age when you sign your contract and NHL games under your belt. Here's the table:

Sven signed when he was 19, so his 4 years of being waiver exempt are up.

Red Ice Player · 03-02-2015, 05:12 PM

What point does bitching about the Jankowski pick make now? I know...lets hire Feaster and Weisbrod back so we can fire them again. Will that make everyone happy?

Cheerio · 03-02-2015, 05:15 PM

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no, that has to do with age when you sign your contract and NHL games under your belt. Here's the table:

Sven signed when he was 19, so his 4 years of being waiver exempt are up.

Yeah but that chart basically says that every year that goes past they lose a year of waiver ineligibility? 18+5=23, 19+4=23, 20+3=23, no?

CorsiHockeyLeague · 03-02-2015, 05:16 PM

In any event, he will be waiver eligible next fall, and likely will be in the AHL until then barring some major rash of injuries to VAN.

Caged Great · 03-02-2015, 05:17 PM

The Jankowski pick made sense at the time considering our center prospects consisted of........

Who would've figured that Monahan and Bennett, potentially the two best centers in the subsequent drafts, would fall into our lap.

The worst case scenario with Jankowski is that we'll get a 2nd round pick if we decide not to sign him, just like what we got for Baertschi.

Frequitude · 03-02-2015, 05:21 PM

If Sven hits his ceiling, a 2nd is a loss. If Sven stays on his recent trajectory, a 2nd is a win. On a risked basis, a 2nd is probably about right.

It just sucks to realize that someone we once had such high hopes isn't a sure thing. But with the organizational depth at LW and our prospect base in general, we don't need him to pan out anymore.

I'm happy with Treliving de-risking the asset and cashing in his chips to spend that equity elsewhere.

Harry Lime · 03-02-2015, 05:22 PM

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What point does bitching about the Jankowski pick make now? I know...lets hire Feaster and Weisbrod back so we can fire them again. Will that make everyone happy?

There have always been a small but vocal group of Sven, ummm.... 'dislikers', who need another prospect to prove to the world, through the use of specifically selected statistics, that said prospect is a horrible blight on the organization.

Jankowski will now reap the whirlwind of 'Sventisitics' until such time as he is traded, and another finds himself unworthy.

Locke · 03-02-2015, 05:24 PM

What the hell did I miss? What the hell is RGI, what does it stand for and why do we care?

Hackey · 03-02-2015, 05:26 PM

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We also got Sieloff out of the equation. We got two players in key positions we were extremely weak. It was a good hockey deal for a team entering a rebuild. Still is.

Maata or Girgensons would look pretty good in our rebuild right now as well. Sieloff and Jankowski are sure making an impact.

Table 5 · 03-02-2015, 05:26 PM

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What the hell is RGI, what does it stand for and why do we care?

I believe RGI is a fancy-stat that Ricardo invented, that only he ever refers to.

calumniate · 03-02-2015, 05:27 PM

Sven also racked up some injuries in the last few years which I'm sure didn't help. He made his own bed on this one though

Sylvanfan · 03-02-2015, 05:27 PM

At least the team acted and managed to squeeze something out of this. This has a Marc Savard quality to it, where the Flames have a smaller talented forward who butts heads with coaches and management. At least this time management made a decision and moved on rather than think they could fix the mess and make it worse. I take a 2nd round pick and getting on with life over a year of making a mess and Ruslan Zainilun any day.