no, but why not eliminate clips bigger than 10 rounds? Why not remove fragmentation bullets from public sale? Why not ban assault rifles? Why not increase the cost of bullets so people don't keep hundreds of rounds in their homes.
This isn't about banning guns. Its about making these mass shootings more difficult.
The idea of some 20 year old kid emptying well over 100 hollow point bullets from a civilian version of an M-16 rifle in a matter of minutes should give people pause.
If that's your point then I agree, with all of it. I agree, if it's built for efficiently killing people it shouldn't be publicly available.
I still think though that it's the mental health of society that is at the core of the problem, if any of us wanted we could easily make weapons capable of killing large amounts of people but we don't because we don't want to. With $50 any one of us could do what this guy did (or worse), it's not a matter of weaponization.
In the U.S. there is an epidemic of mental health issues, which in my opinion stems from unhealthy lifestyles, social isolation and the overabundance of pharmaceutical psychiatric drugs. Humans are like an equation, you push them enough and they will snap. The mind pushed into isolation starts to bend, if you spend enough time being socially isolated any one will go insane because it's how our brains are hardwired. Look at the common theme with all these shooters, almost always socially isolated. Everyone always demonizes these shooters instantly without realizing their lifestyle created a time bomb, social interaction is like air, humans need it and when someone doesn't get any for a long amount of time they start to lose grip on reality. These people are often massively deluded because their brain isn't functioning properly.
I think it would be far more productive to recognize the cause of the disease (mental health issues) as opposed to dealing with the symptom (gun use). Social isolation and depression are massively stigmatized in society and the loners usually have nowhere to go for help, regulating guns (although philosophically the right thing to do) would be a bandaid on the symptom. (I shouldn't have to say it again, but this is just my opinion).
Obama speech tonight. Not sure if it was posted yet.
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FFS, yes, you are correct. If guns are banned people could still kill other people by other means. So let's just not even attempt to change the gun culture in the US.
Ok...point out anywhere I suggested to not attempt to change gun culture, I did the opposite in fact. Don't put words in my mouth please.
This being the first school shooting since I became a teacher, it affected me emotionally more than any other had. I wasn't sure how I'd feel today, substituting for a Grade 2 class.
Everything was going very well until this incredibly sweet little girl came back from lunch crying. She then began to violently and compulsively scratch her hand and, after we spoke for awhile, confessed that ongoing issues with her brother and sister make her feel so angry and frustrated that she "wants to bite everyone" and then she said she wants to kill herself. She's seven and she's expressing suicidal thoughts.
She compulsively scratched her hand for the rest of the day. I spoke to everyone I should have, did everything I was supposed to do, everyone who needs to know does and hopefully she'll get the help she needs.
But I'm just the substitute, I don't know if I'll ever find out if she's okay, or if any follow up has been done, or if I should even be given any of that information if she does or does not. I may never teach her or see her again.
Friggin' sucks.
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If that's your point then I agree, with all of it. I agree, if it's built for efficiently killing people it shouldn't be publicly available.
I still think though that it's the mental health of society that is at the core of the problem, if any of us wanted we could easily make weapons capable of killing large amounts of people but we don't because we don't want to. With $50 any one of us could do what this guy did (or worse), it's not a matter of weaponization.
In the U.S. there is an epidemic of mental health issues, which in my opinion stems from unhealthy lifestyles, social isolation and the overabundance of pharmaceutical psychiatric drugs. Humans are like an equation, you push them enough and they will snap. The mind pushed into isolation starts to bend, if you spend enough time being socially isolated any one will go insane because it's how our brains are hardwired. Look at the common theme with all these shooters, almost always socially isolated. Everyone always demonizes these shooters instantly without realizing their lifestyle created a time bomb, social interaction is like air, humans need it and when someone doesn't get any for a long amount of time they start to lose grip on reality. These people are often massively deluded because their brain isn't functioning properly.
I think it would be far more productive to recognize the cause of the disease (mental health issues) as opposed to dealing with the symptom (gun use). Social isolation and depression are massively stigmatized in society and the loners usually have nowhere to go for help, regulating guns (although philosophically the right thing to do) would be a bandaid on the symptom. (I shouldn't have to say it again, but this is just my opinion).
don't get me wrong; I'd rather have much stronger controls on guns than the ones I've suggested.
Unfortunately, the gun culture is so ingrained on Americans, it would be extremely difficult to convince people to do more than those i've suggested above.
the thing about gun laws, it sounds like they did what they were supposed to, where this shooter got turned down earlier in the week when he tried to buy a gun from a dealer. Unfortunately, he had access to his mom's collection...
This being the first school shooting since I became a teacher, it affected me emotionally more than any other had. I wasn't sure how I'd feel today, substituting for a Grade 2 class.
Everything was going very well until this incredibly sweet little girl came back from lunch crying. She then began to violently and compulsively scratch her hand and, after we spoke for awhile, confessed that ongoing issues with her brother and sister make her feel so angry and frustrated that she "wants to bite everyone" and then she said she wants to kill herself. She's seven and she's expressing suicidal thoughts.
She compulsively scratched her hand for the rest of the day. I spoke to everyone I should have, did everything I was supposed to do, everyone who needs to know does and hopefully she'll get the help she needs.
But I'm just the substitute, I don't know if I'll ever find out if she's okay, or if any follow up has been done, or if I should even be given any of that information if she does or does not. I may never teach her or see her again.
Friggin' sucks.
That's terrible. You should report that to someone.
My sister was a teacher's aid for kids with emotional problems and she once asked a 9 year old what he hoped to learn this year in school and he said that he hoped to learn how to commit suicide.
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I don't know if this was posted but a hacker group named anonymous hacked the westboro baptist church website after hearing about the plans the "church" had to picket funerals of these victims the group released personal information on members including their home address, phone numbers, and email addresses sorry I don't know how to include links. Also a petition was started in the states about legally declaring wbc a hate group the petition was started 2 days ago and requires 25000 signatures to get the attention of the president it currently has almost 100000 signatures
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I don't know if this was posted but a hacker group named anonymous hacked the westboro baptist church website after hearing about the plans the "church" had to picket funerals of these victims the group released personal information on members including their home address, phone numbers, and email addresses sorry I don't know how to include links. Also a petition was started in the states about legally declaring wbc a hate group the petition was started 2 days ago and requires 25000 signatures to get the attention of the president it currently has almost 100000 signatures
Man I love it when hackers use their skills for something good.
I don't know if this was posted but a hacker group named anonymous hacked the westboro baptist church website after hearing about the plans the "church" had to picket funerals of these victims the group released personal information on members including their home address, phone numbers, and email addresses sorry I don't know how to include links. Also a petition was started in the states about legally declaring wbc a hate group the petition was started 2 days ago and requires 25000 signatures to get the attention of the president it currently has almost 100000 signatures
Wouldn't this be exactly what they want, attention and a chance to argue hate laws and get their message out in front of the supreme court?
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Small details . . . . regarding the mother of the shooter
It would be interesting to know what she did on Wall Street at one time. Or if she had an inheritance at one time.
That house and a lifestyle where she didn't need employment seems pretty swish while the husband's job doesn't seem that it would fund a big alimony payment.
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HOLMES: "They always fill me with a certain horror. It is my belief, Watson, founded upon my experience, that the lowest and vilest alleys in London do not present a more dreadful record of sin than does the smiling and beautiful countryside."
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