Beloved character actor Osama bin Laden, star of TV's "Fox News", dies age 54

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Because it was a big, elaborate, complicated event that took alot of planning....you don't need successive large scale attacks that to keep the fear alive.

No need for the green text, ... it's well known here that I think 9-11 was a fraud, and I stand by that 100%.

And about 99% of us think your a looney in thinking that..but don't let facts get in your way.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by PackersFan

Throwing him into the sea was the right choice, but there was no reason to broadcast to the whole word that you did it in the Muslim tradition.

We have to stand up for ourselves, our people, and our beliefs.

Disagree with this. The simple act of doing it according to Muslim tradition will go quite far in calming public opinion on his death and in diplomatic circles. It was completely the right thing to do.

In addition, why would we want to degrade our own reputation further by not doing it properly? Lets show those radicalists that we have respect for human lives, unlike their barbaric practices of hiding behind women and children and beheading hostages.

BTW, words like "throwing" or "dumping" off an aircraft carrier connote negative and obnoxious behaviour. He was lowered into the sea after the corpse was prepared in wrapping.

[Yasa]

"911 Jihad Street" hahahah

[Diverce]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I'm sure we'll be able to see how this went down in a major motion picture or the next Call of Duty: Blacker Ops when you step into the shoes of daring agent Jason Bourne/Jack Bauer/Jack Ryan as played by Justin Bieber.

Micheal Bay is already negotiating the rights

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by PackersFan

I hear ya, but honestly, there is no 'Right" way to dispose of his remains. There will still be an Al-Quada, there will still be Muslim extremists who hate the the west, there will still be war, and there will still be terrorist attacks. I grant you that it may increase the violence, but just because he is dead, doesn't mean that the violence stops.

Many will carry on their Holy War in his name now that he is dead, just as they did when he was alive.

They (Muslim extremists) never show the our soldiers, journalists or tourists that they kill any burial rights. They never show fear of us retaliating against them, so why should we show fear?

They didn't show any concern for our innocent civilians on 9/11, or suicide bombings, so why should we extend them the courtesy of not bombing zones that harbor terrorists for the fear of killing their innocent people.

Throwing him into the sea was the right choice, but there was no reason to broadcast to the whole word that you did it in the Muslim tradition.

We have to stand up for ourselves, our people, and our beliefs.

We are supposed to be better than the extremists.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I dont get it...why would they wait a week? What purpose did it serve?

Instead of announcing this in primetime for all the country to see, Obama instead called a hasty address that went live after 11 PM on a Sunday night and missed a huge part of the audience he could have had?

Why is there a conspiracy behind EVERY damn thing these days. Its so annoying.

But FOX told her they waited a week, so it must be true.

I'm guessing that most of the skeptics would be believers if GWB was the one making the announcement. Can't trust anything Obama says, don't you know?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Bin Laden's death is not a "dire" event to me...

Comic relief is people who think the 9-11 Commission Report is legitimate, when 6/10 of the Commission members don't stand by it.

Comic relief is people ignoring or downplaying the fact that explosives were found in countless dust samples from the WTC.....

..but I digress..

If society collapses, I'm coming after you.

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A shot from the White House's flickr account:


P050111PS-0210 by The White House, on Flickr

President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, along with members of the national security team, receive an update on the mission against Osama bin Laden in the Situation Room of the White House, May 1, 2011. Please note: a classified document seen in this photograph has been obscured. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

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is that Robert Downey Jr in the background (behind the only guy in a jacket in tie)? Why wasn't Ironman part of the actual mission itself?

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The general there is updating his facebook status.

[Tinordi]

How do we know they aren't watching the NFL draft?

[Shazam]

They're obviously watching Celebrity Apprentice.

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[Bigtime]

Hahahaha! That took me a couple of seconds to figure out.

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Top Secret Code Word Noforn

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I bet Obama had one hell of a satisfying smoke after the mission was accomplished.

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

But FOX told her they waited a week, so it must be true.

I'm guessing that most of the skeptics would be believers if GWB was the one making the announcement. Can't trust anything Obama says, don't you know?

It wasn't just FOX. And FYI, get it straight, you can't trust anything Obama OR Bush says. Or any other politician for that matter.

Believing blindly in government is foolish.

Ask Pat Tillman for example.

Look, it would be nice to think that the government found Bin Laden, (who was living in a mansion defending himself with helpless women human targets), shot him, took his body, had a lovely traditional Muslim funeral for him and sent him off to sea in a perfect white cloth (after obtaining DNA samples from him), (all perfectly done to preserve and respect the delicate senses of the islamic terrorists in the world) all within 8 hours- and it IS a great story of 'MERICA to strengthen morale and make everyone feel safe and free of a terrible tyrant. It's so convenient that the rules of the Geneva Convention have to be followed so no pictures of his corpse can be released (so far).

I guess I should just live in the world where it all makes sense- maybe the same world where the talking snake told two nudists to get out of paradise because the woman ate an apple. Or.. was it 7 little men and a wicked witch..and a poison apple? Or all of those WMD in Iraq that hundreds of thousands of people died for...Or maybe it was that Lee Harvey Oswald who shot JFK all by himself..alone.. or the president who did not have sexual relations with 'that woman'..or Pat Tillman and his heroic efforts and Silver Star after he was shot and killed by his own men..

I don't know why I am so darn cynical.

[HeartsOfFire]

Originally Posted by Ashartus

Apparently bin Laden was hiding behind a woman during the fight: http://www.calgaryherald.com/Osama+L...395/story.html

That's gotta do wonders for his reputation.

In our side of the planet, it will fuel a stereotype.

In his area of the world, it's as commonplace as bartering in the bazaar

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

There's a special level of reverence for the Seals in the Special Forces Community. The individual Seal is lavishly trained and equip and can work well as an individual or in a group. They have the sea based component that puts them above all.

Their primary goal is usually intelligence gathering and reconnaissance, securing beach heads, clearing mines in landing zones. They're also well versed in building to building fighting, snatch and grabs, sniping and pretty well anything else.

They have a far more stringent filtering program in training and it is an exclusive company. Take the training for Seals that you see in the movies and ramp up the intensity by multiple factors.

I have tremendous respect for JTF-2, they've done some amazing things and some things that are stuff of the special forces community legends. But they're not as well rounded as the Seals, they don't have the intelligence backing that the Seals have. I'd probably say that the biggest difference is at the Senior NCO level in the Seals.

People put a lot of weight behind the sane Seal Team 6, but at the end of the day the other available groups are every bit as competent.

JTF-2 can hold its own with the other special forces units around the world, I don't question that, but there are two groups that stand out in my head and one of them is the Seals, the other is Israel's
Sayeret Matkal

I'd have to put the SBS in there as well.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Lchoy

To add more that I learned in class/research (and maybe CC can confirm that it's true)

The US Special Forces community is huge compared to Canada's. Each branch of the military in the US has their own special warefare groups. All of this is unified under the umbrella of Joint Special Operations Command and led by a 4 star general at the top. Because of the funding and the man power, the make up of a special forces are much larger than Canada.
within the Seals designation, there are 6 teams (Seal team 1-6). 1-5 represents the area that they are deployed based on where the 5 carriers are located in the world. 6 is the special one that takes on current counter-terrorism operations. I'm not sure, but there is either a rotation between the teams to make up the roster for 6, or individual members apply for 6.
Within each team, there are somewhere between 50-100 members, divided into boat crews or units of 8-12. The men that make up the unit are all cross trained but specialize in a specific discipline (demo, long range, comms, intel, recon..etc) and led by an officer and a senior NCO. The units are rotated between active duty abroad or training standby at home (or on base). It is the unit level that goes into operations, with the number of units dependent on the complexity of the mission. From the sounds of the raid, 2 unit or boat crews of Seal Team 6 went in to Pakistan. 1 team was on standbye while the primary team breached the compound.

This level of organization is based on the grandfather of all special forces, the British SAS. They have 4 Squadrons/Wings of about 60 men. Each wing is divided into 4 troops of 16 men each. Within each Troop, that is further divided into a patrol group of 4 as the most basic SAS fighting unit. Now, each Wing has 4 troops. Those troops specialize in one of the 4 areas: Boat (naval), Air (paratrooper), mobility (desert and mechanical), and Mountain (alpine/winter). Each patrol will eventually have stints in each of the troop areas.
Lastly, The Wings actively rotate to make up the special counter-revoluntary wing, the main counter terrorism arm of the SAS. On this rotation, Each troop spends time in a state of permenant readiness to respond to an incident in the UK or abroad, while the rest spend their time training exclusively on anti terrorism tactics. After a period, the whole wing resumes their normal activities, and the next wing starts the rotation.

Anyways, to bring this to a close. The Canadians JTF2 does not have the size or the orientation of the US. However, they model their training and command structure of the US and British forces. One thing that makes JTF-2 unique is that each individual member of JTF-2 is trained in absolutely every discipline.

This is true, now here's the pieced of trivia, name the true grand father of special forces units.

Hint, there was a strong Canadian Element to it.