Official WWE/ECW/WCW/TNA talk, or whatever v2

[trackercowe]

Again all I am saying is that Triple H made the same comments as Khan, which was "no comment". Which is the same actions most corporate representatives would take. I don't see how either were at fault. Triple H didn't deny or dismiss the allegations. He just didn't address them at the time.

There is also a further conflict of interest as Vince is his father-in-law. He can't really condemn Vince knowing that he's the Grandfather of his children. They took the appropriate actions by finally ridding themselves on Vince and anyone who likely took part in the matter with Grant. If Brock showed up at Rumble (or Mania) then there would be a problem. For now I believe they're treating the matter in the best way possible.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Again all I am saying is that Triple H made the same comments as Khan, which was "no comment". Which is the same actions most corporate representatives would take. I don't see how either were at fault. Triple H didn't deny or dismiss the allegations. He just didn't address them at the time.

That's not all he said. He also said he wasn't aware of the reports and hadn't read them. As Blaster mentioned, Cody and Seth both gave answers that Paul easily could have in his position.

There is also a further conflict of interest as Vince is his father-in-law. He can't really condemn Vince knowing that he's the Grandfather of his children. .

That's a terrible argument. If my dad raped someone, I would absolutely publicly condemn him when given the opportunity to do so. I want to be clear that he shouldn't be condemning Vince until these allegations are proven true, but saying he can't condemn due to family ties is ridiculous.

[rubecube]

Anyways, Will Ospreay shared why he chose AEW over WWE, and it's pretty much what everyone expected. He comes off sounding like a pretty good dude.

https://www.cagesideseats.com/aew/20...etter-than-wwe

“It was night and day even in differences of what they [WWE] were offering and what AEW was offering, AEW was way better, like the scheduling, like everything about AEW was completely the right option for me.

“It was almost kind of like, you can go be a superstar in WWE and famous but it’s not as good of pay and it’s not as kind of a schedule. I respect everyone there doing it but it’s just not for me.”
“We have a stepson now, or she has a son, I have a stepson now, and he just started school.

“If you know her [Windsor’s] story and anything that she’s been through... the UK scene kind of knows it but she lost her husband [wrestler Ryan Smile, who died in 2020]. And having to pick herself up from that and having to be a mom, a single mom, to losing her husband, it’s going to have some tolls on you. So, [we] need to be around her family, need to be around her friends and her social circle.

“I couldn’t bare the thought of moving her away from all that and having her on her own again. So for me the main priortity was to stay in the UK but to also... I want to up the wrestling now because I’d done everything in New Japan, like I completed it.

“The viable option was where was I happy and what was I doing and every time I came here Tony has given me nothing but trust and respect the moment I came in here. It was the right decision for me like at this time. So, I’m happy here and I’m looking forward to the challenges. It’s the right decision.”

[SuperMatt18]

I do really feel like AEW is in a weird spot right now though.

No doubt they are great for the wrestlers...and the match quality remains unreal...but the booking and storylines are still weak.

To me this Okada debut fell flat. You have Okada, who was the final boss of NJPW for 10 years, and you debut him on a random Dynamite by having him come out and partnering with the Young Bucks...that feels ridiculous.

I feel like with Adam Page, Jay White, Bryan Danielson, Okada, Moxley, Kenny Omega, Adam Cole, Swerve, and Will Ospreay you have what should be the best collection of main event talent in modern wrestling from a pure wrestling skill perspective.

Then with guys like Samoa Joe, Take####a, Eddie Kingston, Adam Copeland, Castagnoli, Daniel Garcia, Darby Allin, Killswitch, Christain, Orange Cassidy, Pac, Hobbs, Ricky Starks, Wardlow, Sammy Guevara, Brody King, Death Triangle, and others you have a great collection of talent that can help to elevate and build great fueds to support the main event talent you have.

Honestly I'd try to focus my entire men's singles division on those 25 guys and cut the rest of the veterans that just either provide nothing or take away TV guys from younger guys you want to build into main eventers.

Guys like Brian Cage, Buddy Matthews, Dustin Rhodes, Jake Hager, Jay Lethal, The Hardys, Jeff Jarrett, Johnny TV, Keith Lee, Kip Sabian, Lance Archer, Malakai Black, Matt Sydal, Miro, etc...just release them. They aren't adding value to your product.

One thing that I do think modern wrestling lacks a little bit is the carryover and continuation of the main event storylines from week to week that got you to tune in.

In the peak of wrestling you knew you were going to see Stone Cold in some way every single Monday and that's why you tuned in.

Same thing with WCW you watched every week to see the NWO and Sting / Goldberg throughout those fueds.

With both the WWE and AEW right now you don't really need to watch every week because you're not 100% sure the stars you want to see are going to be there every single week.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

To me this Okada debut fell flat. You have Okada, who was the final boss of NJPW for 10 years, and you debut him on a random Dynamite by having him come out and partnering with the Young Bucks...that feels ridiculous.

I feel like with Adam Page, Jay White, Bryan Danielson, Okada, Moxley, Kenny Omega, Adam Cole, Swerve, and Will Ospreay you have what should be the best collection of main event talent in modern wrestling from a pure wrestling skill perspective.

I think the reason they had Okada debut as a heel is because the only person on your list there that's also a heel right now is Adam Cole, and who knows when he's coming back from injury.

[SuperMatt18]

No issues with Okada debuting as a heel, make him the final boss.

The problem is Okada debuting as a heel with the Young Bucks who feel like a comedy act to me right now.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

No issues with Okada debuting as a heel, make him the final boss.

The problem is Okada debuting as a heel with the Young Bucks who feel like a comedy act to me right now.

Meh. The Bucks are the only heel team/faction that get legitimate heel heat, so it makes sense to me.

There's obviously a larger issue there of TK not having enough legitimate heels at the moment. I personally wouldn't have turned Swerve. Even if he's getting cheers, keep him as a total scumbag. They completely neutered MJF when they turned him face.

[Blaster86]

Okada could have got heat on his own. The Bucks are doing what they always do and trying to force themselves into things to remain relevant at the expense of someone who is above them.

I respect them for being a big part of getting AEW off the ground. Now I want them to go away.

[SuperMatt18]

The problem isn't so much they lack heels but they love bloated heel factions that end up just neutering everyone.

Undisputed Kingdom...meh

Mogul Embassy...felt like that was a bloated mess that Swerve was dragging along

Blackpool Combat Club...are they heel or face...either way they are a useless faction

Don Callis Family...just why is this even a faction

The only good faction they have is Bullet Club Gold.

In what world is this the best way to debut Okada...terrible



I think about how they debuted Adam Cole and Bryan Danielson which maybe was perfect...and compare it to this...honestly think Tony needs to bring in more outside booking help.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Okada could have got heat on his own. The Bucks are doing what they always do and trying to force themselves into things to remain relevant at the expense of someone who is above them.

I respect them for being a big part of getting AEW off the ground. Now I want them to go away.

The same applies to Jericho. Practically every word of it.

This is AEW's best time to strike. They do have a great collection of talent put together. They need to focus on the true talent weekly. Keep Ospreay, Take, Okada, White, Swerve, etc on television weekly. If they need a week off find a way to keep them "in the conversation".

Too many talents disappear for weeks, only to show up randomly for a big match. There's no real build to many matches, nor is there a feud. Take/Ospreay is match of the year right now, too bad there was no reason to have the match other than to get them on the show.

I agree with Supermatt that they need to trim the fat and constantly feature their biggest (and best) talents. Adding Mercades Mone brings another dimension, as the women's division hasn't been well received. Are they going to give more time to that division, or continue to limit them to one segment each week?

[Blaster86]

AEW has needed to trim fat for 2 years. They're WWE in the early 2010s. They're just grabbing everyone they can, like Pac-Man, without the screen or ring time to keep them all going. One thing we don't talk about much is that WWE's product improvement also has to do with Nick Khan coming in and just going scorched earth on the middle and lower cards.

They're not going to do it. Tony Khan wants all his toys in his toy box, to pull out every now and then when the whim hits him. Just like Vince used too.

[trackercowe]

I wonder if they could have Darby return as a heel? I hope he's back from Everest in time for the show in Edmonton. If he leaves on March 27th, will be return within a month? He's a unique talent, they should give him a serious singles push upon his return.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Again all I am saying is that Triple H made the same comments as Khan, which was "no comment". Which is the same actions most corporate representatives would take. I don't see how either were at fault. Triple H didn't deny or dismiss the allegations. He just didn't address them at the time.

There is also a further conflict of interest as Vince is his father-in-law. He can't really condemn Vince knowing that he's the Grandfather of his children. They took the appropriate actions by finally ridding themselves on Vince and anyone who likely took part in the matter with Grant. If Brock showed up at Rumble (or Mania) then there would be a problem. For now I believe they're treating the matter in the best way possible.

Brock is back on the WWE website so there are rumours that he may show up at Wrestlemania. We'll see I guess

[Blaster86]

For the record, there is no proof that Brock did anything wrong. Well, legally. Morally it's kind if ####ty to cheat on your wife but I try not to judge people on their sex life.

[rubecube]

Would really like it if AEW dropped the whole "Shucks I'm just so happy to be here and can't wait for all great matches I'm going to have" debut promos for ex-WWE wrestlers.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

For the record, there is no proof that Brock did anything wrong. Well, legally. Morally it's kind if ####ty to cheat on your wife but I try not to judge people on their sex life.

According to the suit I don't think he ever did more than reply to the texts he was sent either.

Seems scumbaggy but he probably just thought Vince and this lady had a weird kink.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Would really like it if AEW dropped the whole "Shucks I'm just so happy to be here and can't wait for all great matches I'm going to have" debut promos for ex-WWE wrestlers.

You'd hope for a more convincing debut, especially after recently coming out and saying she expects to go back to WWE at some point.

[SuperMatt18]

Another week, another time Darby does an unnecessary bump for no reason.

[trackercowe]

The booking of Bullet Club Gold is something else, I'll tell you what.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

The booking of Bullet Club Gold is something else, I'll tell you what.

Tony Kahn doesn't do 50/50 booking in the sense of wins and losses but he does 50/50 booking in the sense that you have a 50/50 chance of being heel or face each week.

This corrects the error though as they should have always been heels...who just happen to have the best entrance and music in the industry right now.