Official WWE/ECW/WCW/TNA talk, or whatever v2

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Man the WWE has terrible theme music. Bring back CFO or something.

IMO, CFO$ did the best themes for WWE - right up there with Jim Johnston. Personally, their Liger theme for his one-off 2015 appearance absolutely nailed everything Liger. And of course, they did just a ton of other bangers as well (Roode, Undisputed Era, Rebel Hearts, etc.). Too bad their relationship with WWE ended.

[albertGQ]

I might be in the minority but I like The Rock's new theme music

[trackercowe]

Outstanding gauntlet match tonight, finishing off with Gable/Zayn.

Gunther/Sammy will be an amazing match. WrestleMania is a stacked card.

[rubecube]

Not overly surprising.

https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/20...ng-lawsuit-wwe

Corporate Officers No. 1 and No. 2 have now been identified in the sex trafficking lawsuit filed against then WWE Chairman Vince McMahon in January.

Front Office Sports published a report today naming Nick Khan, President of WWE, and Brad Blum, Chief Operating Officer of WWE, as the unnamed Corporate Officers in the lawsuit brought by Janel Grant. Grant’s attorney actually confirmed as much to FOS.

Kahn and Blum aren’t being accused of participating in any sexual misconduct but instead facilitating and “covering up exploitation in ways that make WWE liable under federal anti-trafficking laws.”

[CaptainCrunch]

Nope and I heard number 3 is Stephanie.


I kinda have a feeling that even HHH isn't going to be safe.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Nope and I heard number 3 is Stephanie.


I kinda have a feeling that even HHH isn't going to be safe.

From that same article that rubecube linked:

Furthermore, Corporate Officer No. 3 in the lawsuit is now known to be Stephanie McMahon, per FOS, though WWE chose not to comment on as much and she herself could not be reached to respond. The suit alleges she was aware of instances of her father engaging in inappropriate sexual conduct.

[SuperMatt18]

This case is a weird one to me...and I'm going to be very careful how I word this...but it's weird because it's not like this was an existing employee who was doing their job and then was abused by McMahon...it kind of sounds like the victim was hired for this reason specifically and didn't have any issue with that until things got a bit too weird / the money stopped flowing in.

Now that doesn't excuse anybody that was involved, especially those that took part in the sexual activities, but I do wonder just how much the others like Kahn / Stephanie truly knew about it at the time it was happening especially since Vince saw fit to negotiate the NDA without the full agreement of the others.

And in the end when at least some of the truth came out they did try to get rid of Vince (is a poorly planned way to protect him), and he just ended up forcing himself back in since he had that power due to his shares.

[trackercowe]

Yeah to me it seemed like everyone wanted Vince gone... except Vince himself. Unfortunately he owned the shares and voting control, so not much could be done. Things could have been handled differently, but with the acquisition and television rights up for renewal it would have been damaging to the public image. You can't condone what Vince and his cronies did to Grant, but I think more needs to come to light before we can crucify the rest.

Shane and Steph both quit/left multiple times as well. I would imagine this is one reason why, that they didn't want any part of their father's behavior.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Yeah to me it seemed like everyone wanted Vince gone... except Vince himself. Unfortunately he owned the shares and voting control, so not much could be done. Things could have been handled differently, but with the acquisition and television rights up for renewal it would have been damaging to the public image. You can't condone what Vince and his cronies did to Grant, but I think more needs to come to light before we can crucify the rest.

Shane and Steph both quit/left multiple times as well. I would imagine this is one reason why, that they didn't want any part of their father's behavior.

Triple H's response to questions at the RR press conference were a terrible look for him and the company.

If any of them knew, they could have come out and supported Grant's claims publicly or been more candid with investigators. That would have made it all but impossible for Vince to come back.

On the legal side, if they knew that Vince was using company money to pay off Grant and lied to investigators about that, there are potential obstruction charges that could be filed against them.

[Blaster86]

Knew what? There's nothing indicating they knew it was sexual abuse. Vince comes to them and says he is in a relationship with Janel Grant and would like her on pay roll and has the power and control to do so. Corporate nepotism isn't new or shocking to anyone so why would they question it?

Now everyone knows he is seeing Ms Grant. That doesn't mean everyone knows he's ####ting on her. That doesn't mean everyone knows she's getting pay-offs on top of the salary.

You are putting the cart before the horse and looking to crucify people who are not named in the suit before we even have proof we should be crucifying people who are named in the suit beyond Vince and Johnny Ace.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Triple H's response to questions at the RR press conference were a terrible look for him and the company.

Why is that? All he said is that he didn't sit down and read the lawsuit. Basically he couldn't answer the questions. What exactly did you expect him to say about the situation? Triple H is on the road most of the time, not at Stanford with VKM. Who really knows what he knew first-hand in this case. Just because he's at Thanksgiving dinner with Vince doesn't mean he knows what's going on behind closed doors.

I think they set a good example by removing Brock from the WWE. That's a pretty strong action in itself, especially seeing how it's unproven Brock had any clear connection to physical allegations with Grant (he never actually met her). Yet still Brock was not brought back, as they knew it wasn't the right thing to do at the time.

[Blaster86]

I think anyone expecting an executive officer or a family member to give a direct answer and anything other than corporate speak about a lawsuit involving the company or said family member is out to lunch.


Paul Levesque's answer to the question wasn't good (Cody and Seth's were both way better while giving the same answer) but the end goal of it was what was always going to happen.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Why is that? All he said is that he didn't sit down and read the lawsuit. Basically he couldn't answer the questions. What exactly did you expect him to say about the situation? Triple H is on the road most of the time, not at Stanford with VKM. Who really knows what he knew first-hand in this case. Just because he's at Thanksgiving dinner with Vince doesn't mean he knows what's going on behind closed doors.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Paul Levesque's answer to the question wasn't good (Cody and Seth's were both way better while giving the same answer) but the end goal of it was what was always going to happen.

Blaster said basically what I was going to.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

You are putting the cart before the horse and looking to crucify people who are not named in the suit before we even have proof we should be crucifying people who are named in the suit beyond Vince and Johnny Ace.

No I'm not. I very clearly said "if." If they simply saw it as pay for sex situation, and thought Vince was paying out of his own pocket, then they're not at fault for anything, IMO.

[trackercowe]

How is it any different than Tony refusing to address the allegations surrounding Chris Jericho? While keeping him on television the entire time.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

How is it any different than Tony refusing to address the allegations surrounding Chris Jericho? While keeping him on television the entire time.

Whataboutism.

Also, there was no active lawsuit or actual allegations against Jericho at the time. There was simply a rumour.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

How is it any different than Tony refusing to address the allegations surrounding Chris Jericho? While keeping him on television the entire time.

Well, one was an emoji posted on twitter
The other was a filed lawsuit.


I'm no legal scientist but I am pretty sure they're of different weight.

Originally Posted by rubecube

No I'm not. I very clearly said "if." If they simply saw it as pay for sex situation, and thought Vince was paying out of his own pocket, then they're not at fault for anything, IMO.

But why even bring up "If"? We have nothing to indicate some of these people are involved. Of course if they knew they're in trouble. They're also in trouble if they hit someone with their car. Unless we have something connecting them and indicating they were involved beyond "being an executive within the company" why are we trying to connect them? We are seeing people actively hoping for involvement of certain people because of who they work for/related to. It's silly.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Whataboutism.

Also, there was no active lawsuit or actual allegations against Jericho at the time. There was simply a rumour.

Jericho has been a known scumbag and Trump supporter for years (although Tony's family is also pro-Trump). There were NDA's in both cases. Certainly the truth behind Jericho's issues will come to light in time. Jericho should have been taken off television years ago, instead Tony has given him more control over the locker room.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Jericho has been a known scumbag and Trump supporter for years. There were NDA's in both cases. Certainly the truth behind Jericho's issues will come to light in time. Jericho should have been taken off television years ago, instead Tony has given him more control over the locker room.

Jericho being a piece of #### isn't a crime. Signing an NDA is not an indication that a criminal act has occurred.

It can be as simple as Jericho made a pass (not a crime) or had an affair (not a crime). He could have sexually assaulted her too, but then an NDA doesn't matter (as we are learning with the Vince McMahon allegations).

Again, the entire story was started by a wrestling journalist with an axe to grind and no proof. I have no doubts Jericho did stupid #### (because he keeps doing stupid ####) but up to this point, none of it has been criminal or even to the level of being a basic sex pest.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Jericho has been a known scumbag and Trump supporter for years (although Tony's family is also pro-Trump).

I agree that Jericho is a POS outside of wrestling. That said, if you're going to take people off of TV for ####ty personal beliefs and political views, you're going to be taking a lot of people off of TV. The entire McMahon family is also pro-Trump.

There were NDA's in both cases.

You're reaching big time here. The NDA with Jericho was never confirmed AFAIK and, again, there was no legal action with any kind of evidence or actual allegations.

Is it something I could see Jericho doing? Absolutely. That doesn't = evidence. There is also a world of difference between what Jericho was accused of vs. what Vince has been accused of. It's completely disingenuous to pretend otherwise.