Brad Treliving needs to go

[Moneyhands23]

Scotty Bowman is looking for a job apparently

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

If Tre is ever going to get fired, what is it going to take if not what just happened?

If he survives this he will be our GM until 2052

It's going to be something completely inconspicuous, like signing some journeyman for a mil a year more than Edwards would want.

Treliving should absolutely be in charge for free agency tomorrow with all of the knowledge he and his staff have and then be canned promptly.

[RedHawk12]

If Tre learns from this and takes a hard stance on his players moving forward - for example sign Tkachuk long term or trade him asap - I would keep him as GM.

It's easy to be pissed off at him right now, it'll be even worse to panic-hire another rookie GM who will make the same mistakes all over again, no matter what franchise that GM comes from.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

If Tre learns from this and takes a hard stance on his players moving forward - for example sign Tkachuk long term or trade him asap - I would keep him as GM.

It's easy to be pissed off at him right now, it'll be even worse to panic-hire another rookie GM who will make the same mistakes all over again, no matter what franchise that GM comes from.

The owners need to learn from this too.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Before I start my post, which of course I’ll say is 100% opinion, I’ll anchor on a few things I believe (again only opinion)

- I believe being a GM in a small Canadian market is 100% the hardest GM gig in the NHL with the absolute most cards stacked against you.
- I also believe we have an ownership group that does not have an appetite for tear downs and long stretches of rebuild.
- I also believe we an owner willing to spend to the cap which is an advantage for Tre.

So that said above, this is my opinion on Tre’s work.
- While not void of mistakes (no GM is) I think Tre has done a far better than average job building this roster up to this point, considering the assets he had coming in, and our market. He knows the limitations of Calgary, and has excelled building this team through the right avenues.
- where I do believe he’s not done well, as many have said, is pairing up that well constructed roster with the right coach. But he’s seems to have learned on that front.

So for those that want him gone, I’d like to ask, what is the reason. Is it because “someone must pay” for the fact this chapter of the Flames has now been forced to come to an end, earlier than desired and without the full success desired? Or is it because looking forward you honestly believe the next person will be a better GM?

Evidently I think he’s a pretty good GM. He’s also a young GM, this is his first gig. As mentioned, he’s not perfect he’s made mistakes, but my guess is he’s learned from them and gained experience. Meaning he’s likely getting better at his job.

Do you actually think there are better options out there, or do we just want a symbolic sword to fall on for todays disappointment?

I don’t remember everything since being a Flames fan as a kid, but IMO BT is the best GM we’ve had since Fletcher (not at all comparable eras) and I think it would be a big mistake to not charge him with this next chapter.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The owners need to learn from this too.

Yeah they need to fire this GM.
The GM is given a budget every year....they have great owners who let them spend to the Salary Cap each year.
Not every GM is this lucky.
But after 8 years this is where you are at with little to no playoff success.
Keeping up your narrative that he has done a good job is laughable.

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I think what we do with Tkachuk will determine Treliving's fate at this point. Sign or trade, depending how that goes extends his leash, if it's Gaudreau v2.0 next summer cya later

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Yeah they need to fire this GM.
The GM is given a budget every year....they have great owners who let them spend to the Salary Cap each year.
Not every GM is this lucky.
But after 8 years this is where you are at with little to no playoff success.
Keeping up your narrative that he has done a good job is laughable.

neat.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Icon

I think what we do with Tkachuk will determine Treliving's fate at this point. Sign or trade, depending how that goes extends his leash, if it's Gaudreau v2.0 next summer cya later

Next summer? Trade him right ####ing now.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Yeah they need to fire this GM.
The GM is given a budget every year....they have great owners who let them spend to the Salary Cap each year.
Not every GM is this lucky.
But after 8 years this is where you are at with little to no playoff success.
Keeping up your narrative that he has done a good job is laughable.

There is just as much evidence we have bad owners. Spending to the cap is not a sign of great owners. All signs point to restrictive ownership with a lack of patience who make poor short term decisions.

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Next summer? Trade him right ####ing now.

Definitely what they should do, I'm all for it. But doubt they even look at that because... Flames

[GKDarts]

Absolutely inexcusable and entirely avoidable. Gross negligence of the highest order. Will set back this franchise for years.

100% Fire Tre tonight.

Do not spend $1 in free agency. Rebuild starts tomorrow. Anyone over 26/27, trade for draft capital and prospects.

Don't hang on mediocrity for dear life. Accept the suck for a few years. Get a manager who proactively manages assets.

[JohnnyB]

Treliving decided to go all-in on this season. He took a big risk to try to win, and got a performance out of the team that paid off enough in the short term to have people seeing them as a contender. In the end though, the cards didn't come out with him having a winning hand and he lost big. Do you still back a guy who went all-in and lost? Maybe, if going all in was a good play with the hand he had.

Still, damn hard to look at the team having lost Gio, Brodie and now Johnny all without a single asset in return. That's just awful.

[Flames_Gimp]

how can it be gm or owners fault if they offer a huge contract and the player still doesn't want to stay? unless tre is terrible at negotiations, or something, i don't see how this is anyone's fault or something they "need to learn from"

Everyone wanted the flames to go for it, we made it to the 2nd round, we're moving in the right direction, i don't think you rebuild because we lost a player. Take the 10mil or whatever they were offering him and find the missing pieces of the puzzle.

We have chucky, a 100 point player, he should be the captain let's see what he does now that he's our best player.

[Flames_Gimp]

is there any good pending free agents?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Before I start my post, which of course I’ll say is 100% opinion, I’ll anchor on a few things I believe (again only opinion)



- I believe being a GM in a small Canadian market is 100% the hardest GM gig in the NHL with the absolute most cards stacked against you.

- I also believe we have an ownership group that does not have an appetite for tear downs and long stretches of rebuild.

- I also believe we an owner willing to spend to the cap which is an advantage for Tre.



So that said above, this is my opinion on Tre’s work.

- While not void of mistakes (no GM is) I think Tre has done a far better than average job building this roster up to this point, considering the assets he had coming in, and our market. He knows the limitations of Calgary, and has excelled building this team through the right avenues.

- where I do believe he’s not done well, as many have said, is pairing up that well constructed roster with the right coach. But he’s seems to have learned on that front.



So for those that want him gone, I’d like to ask, what is the reason. Is it because “someone must pay” for the fact this chapter of the Flames has now been forced to come to an end, earlier than desired and without the full success desired? Or is it because looking forward you honestly believe the next person will be a better GM?



Evidently I think he’s a pretty good GM. He’s also a young GM, this is his first gig. As mentioned, he’s not perfect he’s made mistakes, but my guess is he’s learned from them and gained experience. Meaning he’s likely getting better at his job.



Do you actually think there are better options out there, or do we just want a symbolic sword to fall on for todays disappointment?



I don’t remember everything since being a Flames fan as a kid, but IMO BT is the best GM we’ve had since Fletcher (not at all comparable eras) and I think it would be a big mistake to not charge him with this next chapter.

Excellent post. I think provides an eminently balanced, pragmatic and realistic picture of the job, and how hard it can be in a Canadian market.

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[Flamesfan05]

Remember all the sweet contracts Treliving squeezed from his RFAs

It’s coming back to bite him. I am sure remembered how Treliving strong armed him last time. No mercy.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Remember all the sweet contracts Treliving squeezed from his RFAs

It’s coming back to bite him. I am sure remembered how Treliving strong armed him last time. No mercy.

So it's your position that if Tree had been nicer to him in the RFA contract that Johnny would have re-signed this time?

Is that what you REALLY think?
REALLY?

That's f'n dumb.

[Yoho]

I can’t see Tre surviving this.

They will need a different guy to come in and sell everything off that has value.

This is corporate restructure time and you don’t pick the guy that created this masterpiece to do it.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Scotty Bowman is looking for a job apparently

After Fletcher left and Doug Risebrough made that ridiculous trade, I've been an advocate of Scotty Bowman as the GM of the Flames. I'm surprised the legend is still around behind the scene with his son, Stan.