American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's amazing this has to be stated again, but without "lockdowns" our hospital system would have collapsed and many many moor would have died. But keep up your narrative.

Yeah but it’s collapsed now anyway (in Ontario at least), so big whoop that it was operational during the deadliest waves of the pandemic….

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Not really hard to use Google people.....

https://unglobalcompact.org/take-act...than-the-virus

300,000 per day.

7 million people died from COVID.

Would take about 23 days to hit that. And this is just in relation to hunger.

So zero evidence there. Just some speculation from 2 years ago. In reality, undernourishment did increase in 2020 compared to the prior year, but nothing even close to what would result in hundreds of thousands extra deaths per day.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-people-covid/

Can't wait to see the collective spin on this by all the lockdown at all costs believers.

Even if each of those 150 deaths per day were attributable to "lockdowns" (as opposed to, you know, 2.5 years of the medical system being stressed to its breaking point), the UK was seeing nearly 10x that number of COVID deaths at their peaks and would have seen significantly higher and more sustained peaks without mitigation measures.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by opendoor

So zero evidence there. Just some speculation from 2 years ago. In reality, undernourishment did increase in 2020 compared to the prior year, but nothing even close to what would result in hundreds of thousands extra deaths per day.

Even if each of those 150 deaths per day were attributable to "lockdowns" (as opposed to, you know, 2.5 years of the medical system being stressed to its breaking point), the UK was seeing nearly 10x that number of COVID deaths at their peaks.

Did you find this info using google or something?

[GirlySports]

Not deaths but mental health of students during COVID lockdown school closures could be an issue that affects voters. California schools were closed the longest I think and Florida's weren't at all.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Ahhh bringing up kids in politics reminds me of one of my favorite lines from "The Wire":

"Kids don't vote"

So, in essence, #### them kids.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Azure

The common person does not decide the law when it comes to drugs.

So your point is irrelevant.

Florida had a massive growth of people during COVID. This is DESPITE the higher death rates from COVID.

If you factor in the actual risk factor from COVID (after all this time, really hard for people to understand and should get a big ol' LOL from opendoor ), it is not hard to understand that the standard healthy person, who has never been at risk from COVID, will clearly value freedom and personal responsibility over hypocritical do as I say but not as I do restrictions & lockdowns.

Florida is in the top 10 of state incarceration rates. Yup they love their freedumb

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Not deaths but mental health of students during COVID lockdown school closures could be an issue that affects voters. California schools were closed the longest I think and Florida's weren't at all.

Uh, so how do you want to measure the outcomes of mental health? If we look at the behavior of the average school age child in California vs. Florida, I'm pretty sure California looks MUCH better.

Such a nebulous thing to quantify..."mental health". I don't doubt there were impacts, but I can tell you, having things wide open also created massive uncertainty and disruption in the day to day, so it didn't necessarily improve things that much. I had plenty of mental breakdowns amongst my students, and it had nothing to do with lockdowns.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Uh, so how do you want to measure the outcomes of mental health? If we look at the behavior of the average school age child in California vs. Florida, I'm pretty sure California looks MUCH better.

Such a nebulous thing to quantify..."mental health". I don't doubt there were impacts, but I can tell you, having things wide open also created massive uncertainty and disruption in the day to day, so it didn't necessarily improve things that much. I had plenty of mental breakdowns amongst my students, and it had nothing to do with lockdowns.

True. We can't quantify at a macro level of course but elections are about each individual voter and how they feel. If parents are mad that their kids weren't in school, felt they lost social skills, were isolated at home, they'll vote accordingly. Same with those who feel closing schools protected their kids more rather than the opening and uncertainty you mentioned.

Newsom vs De Santis would be a fascinating election.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Azure

Not really hard to use Google people.....





7 million people died from COVID.



Can't wait to see the collective spin on this by all the lockdown at all costs believers.

As many as 40 million deaths without restrictions

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Uh, so how do you want to measure the outcomes of mental health? If we look at the behavior of the average school age child in California vs. Florida, I'm pretty sure California looks MUCH better.

Yeah, I'm sure the "Don't Say Gay" law and armed police officers in schools are great for kids' mental health.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by SebC

Yeah, I'm sure the "Don't Say Gay" law and armed police officers in schools are great for kids' mental health.

Don't forget his abortion policy's and very punchable face, DeSantis running for president will drive democrats and women to the voting booths in droves.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Azure

People value freedom and personal responsibility over government imposed restrictions and lockdowns, which I should mention Newsom didn't even follow himself.

Also, we are now starting to see more data on the long-term negative effects of the lockdowns, and it looks to be a hell of a lot worse than COVID ever was.

If Newsom wants to run on COVID policies, he'll lose in a landslide.

The struggle going forward for Governments will be the perception that we all love freedom with the actual reality that what we want is the Government to keep us safe at all costs, we are a generation that pays 5000 to keep our pets alive, we dont want to bury Grandma at 65 the way we were fine with when I was a kid, back in the 60's taking care of Granny and watching her die of flu in the spare bedroom in her 60's was just what happened every winter, these days we'd lose our effing minds if we had to deal with this.

The anti vax anti lockdown protests were only possible because the vax and lockdown worked, people lost their fear and then reverted to type, self entitled morons

[Mull]

Originally Posted by SebC

Yeah, I'm sure the "Don't Say Gay" law and armed police officers in schools are great for kids' mental health.

This is what I am talking about- I think the GOP attack on the gay community is their "woke trap" issue - in that the Dems sometimes get the voters thinking they focus way to much one issues that 'don't matter' to the masses in lieu of what 'should matter' and they get hammered for it by people who think they don't understand 'real' issues or actually oppose their moral stance.

It really seems like America's right is starting to fall into this trap on focusing too much on social issues the left isn't pushing.

I am not quite sure how to explain what I mean, because social issues definitely matter in an election.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by SebC

Yeah, I'm sure the "Don't Say Gay" law and armed police officers in schools are great for kids' mental health.

Um, I'm not in disagreement with you? Your tone made it seem like I was in support of DeSantis. I'm not. Not in any way. Not in the slightest. My point was just simply to recognize him as a legitimate contender.

I actually think Newsom is the heir apparent to the party after the Cuomo debacle, at least it's my hope. I think he's got a real chance to beat any Republican they throw at him.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Um, I'm not in disagreement with you?

I know, I was corroborating.

[Dion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1560766117483876352

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by SebC

Yeah, I'm sure the "Don't Say Gay" law and armed police officers in schools are great for kids' mental health.

I’m not familiar with that law.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I’m not familiar with that law.

Good lord man, open a (digital) newspaper. It's been national news for months.

Here's a recent article: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/educati...lorida-schools

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I’m not familiar with that law.

It is the entire idea under which DeSantis is running for President.

[MoneyGuy]

I think Corporatejay is being sarcastic.