I also saw GOTG3. Very strong entry into the MCU (probably the best in a while), and I think a fairly satisfying conclusion to the story. Quite enjoyed it, and appreciated the darker and more mature tone of this one.
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Finally got around to watching The Menu. That was a tremendously satisfying experience and I should have watched that much earlier, I was actually a bit surprised at how much I enjoyed it.
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Finally got around to watching The Menu. That was a tremendously satisfying experience and I should have watched that much earlier, I was actually a bit surprised at how much I enjoyed it.
My favorite sequence:
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Finally got around to watching The Menu. That was a tremendously satisfying experience and I should have watched that much earlier, I was actually a bit surprised at how much I enjoyed it.
Easily one of the most entertaining films I've watched in a while. Outstanding performance from Ralph Fiennes.
Finally watched Wild at Heart, when I really enjoyed and I can see going up in my estimation as I think of it more. Mulholland Dr. is still my fave Lynch that I've seen.
I also watched The Comfort of Strangers which, I didn't enjoy as much. Can't say I'd recommend it but it's interesting. I'm just not sure of Schrader was the right director for the material.
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Guardians 3 is leaps and bounds the best post-Endgame entry.
As one reviewer put it, it felt like a "last gasp" of the MCU's earlier magic.
It's looking bleak moving forward. Meanwhile Gunn changes teams to restart the DC universe. DC has been godawful, but they might surpass Marvel in short order if they're wiping the slate clean with real talent.
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Guardians 3 is leaps and bounds the best post-Endgame entry.
As one reviewer put it, it felt like a "last gasp" of the MCU's earlier magic.
It's looking bleak moving forward. Meanwhile Gunn changes teams to restart the DC universe. DC has been godawful, but they might surpass Marvel in short order if they're wiping the slate clean with real talent.
With the exception of Spider-Man and the X-men (which are big caveats I'll admit), I do think DC has a better roster of heroes to work with.
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Watched The Lady From Shanghai with Oraen Welles and Rota Hayworth and I really enjoyed it. Although being a child of the 90s it was weird listening to Welles because he sounds exactly like Brain from Animaniacs and it threw me off at first
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Watched The Lady From Shanghai with Oraen Welles and Rota Hayworth and I really enjoyed it. Although being a child of the 90s it was weird listening to Welles because he sounds exactly like Brain from Animaniacs and it threw me off at first
I should watch this one at some point soon, I'm slowly making my way through the Welles library. Rewatched The Third Man (masterpiece imo) last weekend and saw Touch of Evil for the first time recently as well. Welles is the man, few actors can take over a movie quite like he can.
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I should watch this one at some point soon, I'm slowly making my way through the Welles library. Rewatched The Third Man (masterpiece imo) last weekend and saw Touch of Evil for the first time recently as well. Welles is the man, few actors can take over a movie quite like he can.
I'm so bad I haven't even seen Citizen Kane yet
One interesting thing about LFS that I found out after watching, was that Hayworth and Welles were married but separated during filming of the movie. Also Welles Irish accent comes and goes throughout the picture, and people don't like his performance here but I thought he was solid.
Really? As a casual comic fan, aside from Batman and maybe the Flash I can't think of any DC heroes I'd put above the big Marvel names.
I’ll preface by saying I think there’s a lot of revisionist history going on but many people would say that up until 2007 Marvel had mostly D listers that no one cares about. Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, Capn America, Hawkeye. Basically the entire avengers roster.
Marvel only had two A listers. X-Men, and specifically Wolverine, and Spider-Man. Maybe FF as B/C listers. Guys like Dr Strange weren’t even D list. They were completely off the map.
Meanwhile DC had the unquestioned big 3. Plus the justice league was actually comprised of all their big heroes with GL, Flash, Green Arrow etc being B list guys and thought of as well ahead of most marvel heroes.
I think most of the above is BS and would say outside of Batman and superman, who are massively popular, Marvel had just as strong a roster as DC.
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I’ll preface by saying I think there’s a lot of revisionist history going on but many people would say that up until 2007 Marvel had mostly D listers that no one cares about. Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, Capn America, Hawkeye. Basically the entire avengers roster.
Marvel only had two A listers. X-Men, and specifically Wolverine, and Spider-Man. Maybe FF as B/C listers. Guys like Dr Strange weren’t even D list. They were completely off the map.
Meanwhile DC had the unquestioned big 3. Plus the justice league was actually comprised of all their big heroes with GL, Flash, Green Arrow etc being B list guys and thought of as well ahead of most marvel heroes.
I think most of the above is BS and would say outside of Batman and superman, who are massively popular, Marvel had just as strong a roster as DC.
The X-Men are huge. None of the movies are good and they've still made a million of them and they keep making money, because the X-Men are just huge. The best-selling X-Men comic sold 8 million copies.
In comparison, the best-selling DC-comic of all time sold 700k copies. (A Batman comic from 2002.) That wouldn't even make the list of 10 best-selling Marvel comics.
In the early nineties Marvel regularly topped 1M in sales. Deadpool, Venom, New Mutants (called X-Force at that point) and Punisher all sold north of 1.4M in the nineties. To put those numbers in perspective, the Hunger Games had sold less than 1M copies before there was a movie contract.
Other Marvel-characters who have headlined live-action theatrical releases pre-MCU, so before superhero-movies really went big:
- Punisher (3 movies)
- Daredevil
- Elektra
- Ghost Rider
- Blade (3 movies)
- X-men (3 movies)
- Fantastic Four (2 movies)
- Hulk (+ 5 seasons of TV)
- Howard the Duck
- Spider-Man (3 movies)
Frickin' Legion got a 3 season TV-series unrelated to the MCU.
EDIT: Also how is Hulk not an A-lister, at least in terms of name recognition? The guy's been a global pop-culture reference since forever.
The X-Men are huge. None of the movies are good and they've still made a million of them and they keep making money, because the X-Men are just huge. The best-selling X-Men comic sold 8 million copies.
In comparison, the best-selling DC-comic of all time sold 700k copies. (A Batman comic from 2002.) That wouldn't even make the list of 10 best-selling Marvel comics.
In the early nineties Marvel regularly topped 1M in sales. Deadpool, Venom, New Mutants (called X-Force at that point) and Punisher all sold north of 1.4M in the nineties. To put those numbers in perspective, the Hunger Games had sold less than 1M copies before there was a movie contract.
Other Marvel-characters who have headlined live-action theatrical releases pre-MCU, so before superhero-movies really went big:
- Punisher (3 movies)
- Daredevil
- Elektra
- Ghost Rider
- Blade (3 movies)
- X-men (3 movies)
- Fantastic Four (2 movies)
- Hulk (+ 5 seasons of TV)
- Howard the Duck
- Spider-Man (3 movies)
Frickin' Legion got a 3 season TV-series unrelated to the MCU.
EDIT: Also how is Hulk not an A-lister, at least in terms of name recognition? The guy's been a global pop-culture reference since forever.
Umm it was only X-Men 1 that sold 8 million copies and it had 6 different covers. It glutted all the stores in the 90s and led to the closing of 10,000s of stores a year later. Marvel and their stupid strategy of releasing multiple covers of the same comic....
Batman has been the best selling comic for 90% of the time for the past 25 years. and print runs are down to 100,000
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Umm it was only X-Men 1 that sold 8 million copies and it had 6 different covers. It glutted all the stores in the 90s and led to the closing of 10,000s of stores a year later. Marvel and their stupid strategy of releasing multiple covers of the same comic....
Batman has been the best selling comic for 90% of the time for the past 25 years. and print runs are down to 100,000
Yeah absolutely Marvel's best days are over in the comics, creatively and otherwise, and yes they inflated the hell out of that one comic... but people still bought multiple copies of the same comic. Not just collectors, there weren't millions of comic book collectors. In any case that detail is nitpicking quite a lot. Marvel has plenty of well-known, popular characters.
No one is arguing that Batman hasn't been the biggest superhero since he became a movie star (and Joker is probably these days just as big as a character), but really the distance from him to even Superman is these days pretty big.
Also, as far as movies go, there's plenty of evidence that previous popularity doesn't really matter THAT much. Guardians of the Galaxy are huge now, and basically nobody knew who they were before James Gunn got his hands on them.
Yeah absolutely Marvel's best days are over in the comics, creatively and otherwise, and yes they inflated the hell out of that one comic... but people still bought multiple copies of the same comic. Not just collectors, there weren't millions of comic book collectors. In any case that detail is nitpicking quite a lot. Marvel has plenty of well-known, popular characters.
No one is arguing that Batman hasn't been the biggest superhero since he became a movie star (and Joker is probably these days just as big as a character), but really the distance from him to even Superman is these days pretty big.
Also, as far as movies go, there's plenty of evidence that previous popularity doesn't really matter THAT much. Guardians of the Galaxy are huge now, and basically nobody knew who they were before James Gunn got his hands on them.
that was the problem. people didn't buy millionis. it was the time when hockey card dealers saw their product crater and shifted to comics. Calgary had over 35 stores back in the 90s.
They ordered the millions and to this day they are still sitting around in storage. One of the stores in town got a collection in a year ago and in it had 3500 copies of X-Men 1 LOL! 85% of it went to the landfill.
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I'd put the Marvel hero pre-"comic book movie era" popularity tier list as
S - Spiderman, Wolverine, Xmen (consistently popular household names, always in new TV shows & games)
A - Hulk, Deadpool, Punisher (popularity waxes and wanes, often on TV or games in some form)
B - Iron Man, Capt America, Dr Strange, Thor, F4, Daredevil (Consistent comic runs, sometimes have their own shows or games)
C - Black Widow, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Thanos (side characters with occasional solo comic runs, occasionally show up in other hero's stuff)
D - GotG, Capt Marvel (mostly unknown despite consistent comic runs)
F - Ego, Celestials (barely in the comics)
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Unscientific poll of movie going audiences about who their favourite superhero is from 1987-2019. Obviously because they polled people at theatres it would be skewed for when movies were in theatres at the time.
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Ha, this totally corroborates the story I gave a teenager a while ago, when he asked who the most popular superheroes were 25-30 years ago. I told him: "There were the big three—Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man, in that order—and everyone else. Comic book fans knew all about Captain America, Iron Man, The Hulk, etc. but to the general public they were fringe."
Kid couldn't believe it. He couldn't believe the Marvel superheroes he grew up with in the last 12ish years, that dated back decades, weren't all that popular when I was a kid. "Believe it," I said. "People remembered The Hulk TV show with Lou Ferrigno, but that's what 95% of people you asked would know about the character: he was a big green dude played on TV by a bodybuilder. A few people still fondly remembered the '70s Wonder Woman TV show with Lynda Carter. Older folks remembered and were fond of Captain America, but he hadn't really been popular for about 40 years."
I figured even in the late '80s that #4 would have been Captain America, then perhaps Hulk or X-Men. X-Men seemed to be very popular in the early '90s anyway. Past that it was tough to say; you had a few die-hards who loved Iron Man, Fantastic Four—I had a buddy whose favourite character was easily Silver Surfer—Green Lantern... Past that? Oof. You had a handful of real weirdos who liked Judge Dredd, The Phantom, etc.
Xmen was Marvels highest selling comic from 1982-1998. I'd bet nearly everyone reading this has played the Xmen stand up arcade machine. Xmen are easy S-Tier.
