2024-25 Huberdeau - new and improved?

[Jason14h]

Maybe he’ll get sick of playing and develop an equipment allergy .

[redmile04]

https://x.com/i/status/2014850407592534337

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Buyout would free a roster spot for a young guy. Also on the PP. That's the best gain from it.

That’s the ONLY gain from it. Cap hit would be almost identical to what it is now. It’s basically buyout-proof, except maybe the last few years. Let’s keep him for now and hope he bounces back next season to something closer to what he was last season. Let him play third line and PK. Who knows, maybe he’ll have a Ras-like rebound next season.

[5abi]

I did not notice that Huberdeau didn’t play last game

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

That’s the ONLY gain from it. Cap hit would be almost identical to what it is now. It’s basically buyout-proof, except maybe the last few years. Let’s keep him for now and hope he bounces back next season to something closer to what he was last season. Let him play third line and PK. Who knows, maybe he’ll have a Ras-like rebound next season.

It's a gain. The cap hit is the same with him on or off the team. I don't think you'll see much else from him under Huska's system. If they get a coach who opens up the game then sure. But I don't think it would matter at all if he magically disappeared.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Saqe

It's a gain. The cap hit is the same with him on or off the team. I don't think you'll see much else from him under Huska's system. If they get a coach who opens up the game then sure. But I don't think it would matter at all if he magically disappeared.

The trouble is that he doesn't just magically disappear. A buyout this summer would leave behind a cap hit until 2036.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The trouble is that he doesn't just magically disappear. A buyout this summer would leave behind a cap hit until 2036.

Yes and gain a spot on the roster. If he is and useless, maybe it's better to get rid of him, for the rest of the team. The cap hit is negligible after a couple of years.

[troutman]

Let’s not blame the “system”. He is 32 and washed. All on him.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Saqe

The cap hit is negligible after a couple of years.

How do you figure that? The cap hit for the next five years would be 10.3, 10.3, 7.8, 10.3, 5.8. That isn't chump change.

After that, you have only an $800,000 cap hit, but it goes on for another five years, right when we could expect the team to be in its next competitive window and every dollar will count.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

How do you figure that? The cap hit for the next five years would be 10.3, 10.3, 7.8, 10.3, 5.8. That isn't chump change.

After that, you have only an $800,000 cap hit, but it goes on for another five years, right when we could expect the team to be in its next competitive window and every dollar will count.

Because it's the same with him on the roster for the next five years. There's no difference.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Because it's the same with him on the roster for the next five years. There's no difference.

Except that if you remove him from the roster, you need to pay his replacement, and you aren't saving enough cap to do that.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Except that if you remove him from the roster, you need to pay his replacement, and you aren't saving enough cap to do that.

His replacement costs 800k lol.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Saqe

His replacement costs 800k lol.

Next year the minimum salary goes up to $850,000. In '29-30 it will be $1 million.

If Huberdeau is bought out this summer, the next two years will see cap savings of $200,000. That's not even a quarter of the minimum salary. After that, the cap hit bounces up and down.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Next year the minimum salary goes up to $850,000. In '29-30 it will be $1 million.

If Huberdeau is bought out this summer, the next two years will see cap savings of $200,000. That's not even a quarter of the minimum salary. After that, the cap hit bounces up and down.

Yes and you are not trying to save a cap hit, you are trying to say that another player is more valuable at this point.

[Jason14h]

You don’t buy him out anytime soon - not worth the saving and you eliminate the small chance he just quits or goes on perma LTIR!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Yes and you are not trying to save a cap hit, you are trying to say that another player is more valuable at this point.

What you’re saying is that 23 players are all too valuable to let Huberdeau stay on the roster. I’m not buying that at this point.

[Sylvanfan]

If I live long enough, I'm going to throw the party of all parties to celebrate the end of this contract.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Except teams do get pay with draft picks for picking up bad contracts

Huberdeau is just a complete negative, no way to spin it

Yeah, it's one way to pick up easy assets especially for rebuilding teams with cap space. The fact that the Flames as a rebuilding team can't trade him for anything or use that cap space to get an asset isn't a positive.

Getting to the cap floor is the easiest thing for any team to do. The talk that having Huberdeau at his cap hit is beneficial is malarky. If a GM can't find a way to do the easiest thing in the world like get to the cap floor, they should be fired on the spot. It's as easy as drawing up a contract if you absolutely had to.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

What you’re saying is that 23 players are all too valuable to let Huberdeau stay on the roster. I’m not buying that at this point.

Some posters, yourself included, may remember noted pugilist Georges Laraque. Never paid for his offense, there were nonetheless frequent instances of Georges getting the puck down low and using his 240 lb frame and immense strength to protect the puck and rag 10-20 seconds off the clock. And he'd keep good players off him, too.

Point of that is, it's all effort and grit and deciding that at least for the next few seconds, this is my puck and you can't have it. Kiss my ass.

Jonathan Huberdeau has more God-given ability in his non-dominant hand than Laraque had in his entire body, but none of the fire. As soon as he gets the puck, his feet stop moving. He gets a shorthanded 2-on-1 last night, has the puck inside the top of the circle and he friggen passes (badly, I might add) to Backlund.

Hammer that ####, dude. Wind up and take a clapper from 35 feet out, it's the last thing they'll expect.

I do like the guy - I do hope he manages to salvage his career somewhat. As I said, if he's the borderline 30/30 all situations winger with a strong 200 ft presence.

But watching his performance last night live... woof. Nobody is going to be happy with that on the ice for the next 5 years. That contract is a prison sentence, and most people don't like prison.

[Royle9]

Sadly I think any expectation of his offence coming alive here should be thrown out the window, it’s not happening in this type of system.

He’s more concerned with his golf game nowadays anyway, I heard a rumour he’s designing his own course or something, so I’d wager he’s putting more energy in that based on his effort shown on the ice. Not sure how true it is, but the guy seems more dialled in on the course in the summer.

The skill and ability is there, you don’t just lose it… but man does he ever look uninspired out there night in and out.