2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Lol, that would not make Conroy look bad, that would make Conroy look smart. Just like Lindholm has the freedom to move on, Conroy can choose to move on and can notify him to pack his things, you've been traded.

Oh
I agree with you, like I said, I hope there’s a deadline. But you know there will be some that will believe that he didn’t keep his word

[bax]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And that's fine - no one is claiming that he is going to be what 1st overalls are expected to be, or what he was expected to be when he was drafted.

But let's assess him for what he is: good size, some scoring ability, maybe a 40-50 pt guy for a few years - in other words, a pretty good middle 6 guy. If we can trade Toffoli (a really good middle 6 guy who is now 31) for Lafreniere, who is 21 and has the potential to be maybe another Toffoli, or a Bennett, or something on that level, that is a pretty good trade, no?

I am no fan of Lafreniere, but as far as trading Toffoli goes, that seems like a pretty decent return. If the expectation is to get a 1st (late) and a medium prospect for Toffoli, having that late 1st turn into Lafreniere would be an excellent result.

Of course, I would have no issue with that trade. I was just pointing out that Lafrieniere isn’t some can’t miss prospect anymore. Regardless, I don’t think that is a trade that would be on the table. You’re probably looking at something based around picks/prospects as opposed to roster players.

[Enoch Root]

Maybe, except most of the teams that would be interested in Toffoli are teams that are already at the cap. The Rangers have less than $12M to sign 8 or 9 guys, including Lafreniere. Their window is now, and they want to be competitive. So Lafreniere is a guy they might look at and say that they can't afford to wait on him, that he is a good asset to acquire someone who can help them now.

It's actually a pretty reasonable trade for both teams.

[Moneyhands23]

Serevelli giving the rebuild thoughts a boost today. Mentioned lindy, hanifin and backs aren't keen to sign

[Toonage]

Its bizarre to think a person could be offered almost $10M a year (or even half that) to play somewhere for 8 years and they'd stop and hem and haw over it.

I mean, I do get it, but when you think about it its kind of funny.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am not going to take the speculation of a reporter as gospel - it ain't fact until it's fact. But, if - IF - Hanifin and Backlund don't re-sign, then Conroy has to pivot towards a more thorough retool. Lindholm-Kadri-Backlund is a pretty good trio down the middle. But if you lose one of them (or two, if Lindholm also doesn't sign), then the team just doesn't have the strength down the middle to be competitive.

I think the team can trade Hanifin and carry on. I think they can trade Toffoli and carry on. But I don't think they can be competitive if they lose Backlund or Lindholm - you can't compete if you're weak down the middle. Accept it and embrace a retool.

Agree but i dont think that the situation is horrible though. Lets assume backs, lindy, and hanifin want out.

Backs late first.
Lindy a first and a prospect.
Hanny a first and a prospect.
Vladar draft picks
Toffy at the deadline.

Use one of the first and seconds to go after anderson or dvorak in montreal preferably anderson.

Center anderson, kadri, dube, rucicka or one of the draft picks or prospects.

Andy hubby toff
Kadri mangi,coronnato
Dube pelts stormgren
Rucicka coleman duer

Over the next two years one if the Center prospects should graduate. Hopefully nate daniellson within two years we could have.

Nate hubby stormgren
Kadri mang coronnato
Dube duer yager
Rucicka pelts, zary

Thats a thick team with a lot if depth and skill littered through the line up. Every line has a veteran and enough depth to cover special teams.
I mentioned this in the can we retool on the fly thread and it seemed most didn’t want to go there but here we are?

Also yes im high on stormgren i think he has all the tools never mind whatever prospects we get out of the trades.

[Enoch Root]

that's not a thick team with a lot of depth, that's a team that would compete with the Vancouvers and Phillys and Montreals for 20th overall. At best.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

that's not a thick team with a lot of depth, that's a team that would compete with the Vancouvers and Phillys and Montreals for 20th overall. At best.

Both daniellson and yager could be top ten picks in a lot of drafts and both would be draft plus two and should be ready to contribute. The question is is corronato and stormgren top six guys and i think they are. Young team yes will be ups and downs but a bottom feeder i dont see it. All these guys play the right way.

[Fischy13]

If Hanifin and Backs don’t want to the-sign, this is great news. East to dump both and frees over 10 mil for a cash strapped team. Backs will fetch a decent return and Hanifin a haul. O’Reilly who’s signed on to come the the Flames before would be a great shorty term stop gap and fill up with picks from those two trades. We need to dump a least a couple players to make extensions for some of the soon to be UFA’s happen. Getting rid of 10 mil pays Lindholm and Toffoli for example. Has to be done. Get a 10-15 1st in 2023 and the Flames are laughing to the bank with this. Really think O’Reilly would be a great short term option as 3C.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Oh
I agree with you, like I said, I hope there’s a deadline. But you know there will be some that will believe that he didn’t keep his word

There has to be a deadline. Not having a deadline is what led to last summer's debacle as right now it appears Lindholm may be doing that wishy washy thing Gaudreau did. I get that Conroy is feeling things through but a GM has to draw a line in the sand at the point where the team starts losing leverage. Set a deadline for the player and agent and if there's no resolution then you have to move forward with plan B. You can't wait on players as they are in business for themselves only.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I don't know what ROR would require to sign here, but I think overpaying him for 2-3 years would make the most sense while we are trying to get young guys into the lineup and fighting for a spot. Either scenario of trading one of Backlun/Lindholm or trading both requires ROR interest on Calgary's end. I don't mind us rolling with Kadri and ROR until we have a younger center taking them over that spot. At least get younger on the wings and defense while we work with our stopgaps. Goaltending should (emphasize on should) be taken care of with Wolf coming in.

If not ROR then Domi would be a fine stopgap. Part of me thinks ROR gets the Kadretirement contract (and not from us).

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I don't know what ROR would require to sign here, but I think overpaying him for 2-3 years would make the most sense while we are trying to get young guys into the lineup and fighting for a spot. Either scenario of trading one of Backlun/Lindholm or trading both requires ROR interest on Calgary's end. I don't mind us rolling with Kadri and ROR until we have a younger center taking them over that spot. At least get younger on the wings and defense while we work with our stopgaps. Goaltending should (emphasize on should) be taken care of with Wolf coming in.

If not ROR then Domi would be a fine stopgap. Part of me thinks ROR gets the Kadretirement contract.

If Backlund and lindy leave I'd want Conroy to sign some 1 year deals. Then trade them at the deadline. Bottom out this season and start to gear up for the 2024-2025 year.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I don't know what ROR would require to sign here, but I think overpaying him for 2-3 years would make the most sense while we are trying to get young guys into the lineup and fighting for a spot. Either scenario of trading one of Backlun/Lindholm or trading both requires ROR interest on Calgary's end. I don't mind us rolling with Kadri and ROR until we have a younger center taking them over that spot. At least get younger on the wings and defense while we work with our stopgaps. Goaltending should (emphasize on should) be taken care of with Wolf coming in.

If not ROR then Domi would be a fine stopgap. Part of me thinks ROR gets the Kadretirement contract (and not from us).

Friedman hinted strongly at Vancouver taking a run at ROR (and Soucy fwiw) yesterday on his podcast

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There has to be a deadline. Not having a deadline is what led to last summer's debacle as right now it appears Lindholm may be doing that wishy washy thing Gaudreau did. I get that Conroy is feeling things through but a GM has to draw a line in the sand at the point where the team starts losing leverage. Set a deadline for the player and agent and if there's no resolution then you have to move forward with plan B. You can't wait on players as they are in business for themselves only.

Also the leverage shifts more to the player the later this goes. Options get fewer with teams filling up their lineup and running out of cap space. I think Conroy is doing himself a disfavor if he doesn't put a deadline down, like July 1st. I actually thought he did set a deadline during the introductory press conference, something around the draft week or so but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Friedman hinted strongly at Vancouver taking a run at ROR (and Soucy fwiw) yesterday on his podcast

That is so Vancouver/Edmonton-esque. Always go for the big forward fish and totally forget about signing a defenseman.

Imagine buying out OEL and then using the money you saved and likely signing another albatross. I bet Pettersson, Q. Hughes, and Demko can't wait to get out of that gong show.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

That is so Vancouver/Edmonton-esque. Always go for the big forward fish and totally forget about signing a defenseman.

Imagine buying out OEL and then using the money you saved and likely signing another albatross. I bet Pettersson, Q. Hughes, and Demko can't wait to get out of that gong show.

Ya...just like all our star players that left last year and this year.

It's a hard pill to swallow but we have the sane ownership/ management.

[Vinny01]

I think things will heat up next week as it pertains to the key 3-4 free agents. There is no pressure today but will there be pressure Tuesday-Tuesday on the eve of the draft and 3 days into unrestricted free agency?

I am excited if all 3 players move on and I am ready to retool this team or rebuild if necessary. I agree it is really tough to see this team being competitive if they lose Lindholm and Backlund but we also don’t know who they are getting back in trade so we can’t be certain how competitive this team could be next year.

[ComixZone]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1671898356191297537

https://twitter.com/user/status/1671899283119808515

[TheIronMaiden]

Trade em all. The rebuild is on.

[genetic_phreek]

Rumor is the no goods up north are going to be signing Toews. Anyone else hear this?