[Signing] Flames sign Chris Tanev (4 years, $4.5 million AAV)

[Dajazz]

I’m going to say this is 2020’s Troy Brouwer contract. Too long, too expensive for “veteran leadership” and “intangibles”.

Please prove me wrong Tanev.

[Patek23]

Hockey is a team sport. You can slot in guys who when you look at their individual stats are considered high acheivers. But what this team needs is more guys with higher GAF meters. How many Flames games did we watch this year where it just seemed like no one cared? The more guys we can bring in who dont take any games off the better if you ask me. Very pleased with this signing. Sometimes theres things guys bring that dont show up in the stats. Mental toughness and on the flip side mental fragility (which this team suffers from) dont show up there. But Tanev is a warrior.

[Jason14h]

My frustration is best case the deal works out to be worth it.

So if everything goes right and the stats lie we get the proper value

So much downside risk. Such a dumb move

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by neo45

This contract is really bad

The optics of our best defensemen last year signing the same deal for just slightly more on the same day elsewhere makes this even worse

Tanev is better defensively than Brodie. It’s not even close. Tanev won’t be playing on the PP, but neither was Brodie after the trade deadline. I agree we paid to much for him, but he improves the d core for the next 2 seasons. Not sure after that.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

My frustration is best case the deal works out to be worth it.

So if everything goes right and the stats lie we get the proper value

So much downside risk. Such a dumb move

How would you of replaced Brodie?

[cannon7]

I don't think this was prompted by Brodie signing in Toronto. I think this was prompted by Treliving not liking the offers he was getting for Gaudreau, making a Hall signing a long shot. So decided to pick up the best right handed d-man he could afford.

[Burning Beard]

Tanev is just the kind of guy we need. Defensive Dman who blocks shots and battles every game. Supposed to be a leader in the Nucks dressing room so hopefully some of that desire to win rubs off on the team here.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

My frustration is best case the deal works out to be worth it.

So if everything goes right and the stats lie we get the proper value

So much downside risk. Such a dumb move

I don’t think there is any way Tanev is playing up to this contract in year 4 when he is already trending down, so it’s more like best case scenario for the first half of the deal


Kind of describes 90% of big UFA deals

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

How would you of replaced Brodie?

Tanev isn't a Brodie replacement. He's a Hamonic replacement. Cost ~$1M more a season, but didn't cost us three picks to acquire.

Someone within the system is going to need to step up to replace Brodie, short of a big trade.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Rikster

I think you nailed the majority of Canuck fans feelings on the 2 players...

The guy I worry about is Tanev who could become the Flames version of Loui Eriksson especially when you consider a flat cap for maybe the next 2 or 3 years.

Hughes elevated the play of Tanev, not to mention Luke Schenn who was paired with Hughes in his first season...

Actually I'd prefer Schenn over Tanev even before considering the contracts...

Pairing Tanev with a quick puck mover will be key otherwise he eats too many pucks which has led to too many injuries...

Everything you said just shows that you don’t know anything about Tanev.

He’s not Hamonic, he’s more Brodie than Hamonic. He is a great skater (but may have lost a step, but still good) and he makes great exits. He’s not a bang it off the glass type stay at home defenseman.

Not all defense first defensemen are skill less pylons. Tanev is a puck mover. He’s not likely to put up as much points as Brodie but he’s also stronger in his own end and stop cycles and also willing to lay down and block shots.

Like I said, if you take the best of Brodie and Hamonic and merge them together , you get Tanev.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

How would you of replaced Brodie?

I would have offered Brodie the protection he wanted and exposed Gio; tough decision but if picked up in expansion he would free up some cap space.

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

This comparison of Brouwer and Tanev is ridiculous. Tanev is a Top four defensive dman who is going to play 17 -20 minutes a night. Brouwer was a bottom six forward who was being paid like a second line scorer. Tanev is going to really Surprise a lot of people on this forum when we see his solid play on defense. Brouwer!?!? Don’t even get me started on him!

[neo45]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Tanev is better defensively than Brodie. It’s not even close. Tanev won’t be playing on the PP, but neither was Brodie after the trade deadline. I agree we paid to much for him, but he improves the d core for the next 2 seasons. Not sure after that.

This is very easily disproven. Brodie is very good defensively because he keeps the puck away from the other team. It’s not all about shot blocking and physicality

Statically Brodie is literally elite league wide at moving the puck out of the zone which is a big part of playing good defense

Also the best ability in sports is availability, Tanev is injury prone and Brodie was solid outside of one freak occurrence. Injury prone guys tend to not do so well on the wrong side of 30

[neo45]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Tanev isn't a Brodie replacement. He's a Hamonic replacement. Cost ~$1M more a season, but didn't cost us three picks to acquire.

Someone within the system is going to need to step up to replace Brodie, short of a big trade.

I think if this playoffs showed anything it’s that we really don’t need a Hamonic replacement at all

We traded a 3rd for a supposed liability on defense and I thought he (Gustaffson) came in and outplayed Hamonic almost instantly

[neo45]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I would have offered Brodie the protection he wanted and exposed Gio; tough decision but if picked up in expansion he would free up some cap space.

Iirc Toronto didn’t offer him any expansion protection so I doubt that was the deal breaker in all of this

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by neo45

I think if this playoffs showed anything it’s that we really don’t need a Hamonic replacement at all

We traded a 3rd for a supposed liability on defense and I thought he (Gustaffson) came in and outplayed Hamonic almost instantly

I think this playoff showed we need a Tanev/Hamonic type dman especially in the playoffs

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Tanev isn't a Brodie replacement. He's a Hamonic replacement. Cost ~$1M more a season, but didn't cost us three picks to acquire.

Someone within the system is going to need to step up to replace Brodie, short of a big trade.

It will be Anderson.

[JJolg]

Originally Posted by Gaudreau is a Ninja

I think this playoff showed we need a Tanev/Hamonic type dman especially in the playoffs

100% when we had the puck in our own end its always a tire fire. There is no calming presence back there that we can rely on and it shows because every close game where we are up by 1 the opposing team always has us scrambling and it seems they tie it up way more than against other teams.

[ricardodw]

4 points....

1) Tanev as a 30 year old got a raise from his last contract

2) Vancouver could have signed him to the same or a bit less of a contract had they thought he was worth it.

3) Tanev has entered the veteran not so much physical contact stage of his career as has Gio. Lot of stick checking non-contact ice time for the Flames on defense. (as there was with Brodie/Hamonic)

4) Hamonic not signed will likely be getting a 2x2 for very close to the same role as Tanev.

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How does Hamonic compare to Tanev in the fancy stats? Is he thhat much of an upgrade?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by getbak

I wonder if we'll see some number shuffling this season?

Tanev has worn #8 for most of his NHL career (he wore #18 as a rookie), but he also wore #43 and #12 when he played in the AHL. So, he might not be overly attached to the number -- although he has worn it for a long time now.

Valimaki is currently #8 but he also wore #6 in Junior and when he captained Finland at the WJHC. He is currently wearing #40 in Finland. #6 is currently not in use on the Flames.


There's also the question about Tkachuk and #7. It's his dad's old number and what he wore in junior, but I'd say he has made #19 his own at this point. Also, when he and Brady both make Team USA in the future, they won't have to fight over who gets to wear #7 if he keeps #19.

#6 belongs to Mackey right now. I suspect Zary will get #18.