[PST] Second Round: Anaheim (1st pacific) vs Edmonton (2nd pacific)

[JiriHrdina]

Cripes you don't need to fight with everyone dude.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by OmegaV4

Spanked them? Little bit of a stretch don't you think? First 3 games in the series were one goal games.

We all watched those games. Flames put up some #### efforts game 1 other than Ferly and a few others in the 3rd. Game two was a lot of refs and game 3 was all Flames except Elliott's softies. Game 4 was tight hockey back and forth.

Either way, anytime you lose 4 games straight in a series, that's a spanking. Considering I don't even think Anaheim was putting in a better effort, it stings that much more knowing your best effort couldn't even beat their 80%.

I'm not looking at goal differential. In the playoffs all that counts is wins.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

It's posts like this that really lend credence to those who wonder about you being a troll.

In your last post your were anointing the Ducks as an example of how to build a roster for being up 3 games to 2 in Round 2 of the playoffs.

I point out that's overzealous and you turn to talking about how they just need to be respected.

I really don't think you even know what you're talking about.

Well im not sure what's more sad, the fact that you follow my posts and think I'm a troll, or the fact that you're responding. I couldn't tell if you're a troll or not, because I can't be bothered to recall a thing you ever posted.

Also, I annointed them how to draft a roster. They're also a team that doesn't trade a lot of sign big name free agents. They also rarely spend to cap. But knowing that, the Ducks have missed the playoffs twice in the past 11 years . Hazard to guess how many times your team has done the same in that period?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

We all watched those games. Flames put up some some efforts game 1 other than Ferly and a few others in the 3rd. Game two was a lot of refs and game 3 was all Flames except Elliott's softies. Game 4 was tight hockey back and forth.

Either way, anytime you lose 4 games straight in a series, that's a spanking. Considering I don't even think Anaheim was putting in a better effort, it stings that much more knowing your best effort couldn't even beat their 80%.

I'm not looking at goal differential. In the playoffs all that counts is wins.

None of that changes the fact winning one round only got Anaheim to the 2nd round at present.

There's a difference between respecting a team for being an average to good one in the grand scheme of things and anointing them as an example of how to build a perennial championship contender when they've yet to achieve such status.

[Rollin22x]

I watched most of the game and near the end of the third I had to go pick up my daughter. Listened to the game on the radio. It was an oilers broadcast and I couldn't count how many times they said 3 nothing and the fact that they are only one win away from moving on to the WCF. I got home in time to watch the last 4 minutes of the 3rd and OT. I really wished I had remembered to turn on the radio. The melt down must have been epic.


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[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

None of that changes the fact winning one round only got Anaheim to the 2nd round at present.

There's a difference between respecting a team for being an average to good one in the grand scheme of things and anointing them as an example of how to build a perennial championship contender when they've yet to achieve such status.

I never said that. Lol, tell me what can I do about this?

Like I can't crawl into your mind and read for you and infer each word correctly. You either truly inferred this on your own, or you made it up to defend your psyche. Either way, YOU blame me for a statement I never even said.

Lol. Truly sad, not even fascinating

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I never said that. Lol, tell me what can I do about this?

Like I can't crawl into your mind and read for you and infer each word correctly. You either truly inferred this on your own, or you made it up to defend your psyche. Either way, YOU blame me for a statement I never even said.

Lol. Truly sad, not even fascinating

It's not really clear what you were getting at. You said the Ducks were an "example of how to build a roster". Every team in the league has built a roster. Many of them have been repeat playoff teams. Again until this current incarnation of the Ducks wins something I don't see them as a much better than a lot of repeat playoff teams who haven't been able to get over the hump.

If your point is you like the Ducks, more power to you. Your praise for them seems pretty premature at this point.

The part where you went off and slammed the Flames and then pointed out how the Ducks spanked them like you take some joy in it just seems par for the course.

You talk about not remembering posts. It's pretty easy to remember them when they're constantly as attention seeking as yours appear.

[MarkGio]

You should really consider seeking help man. Just reflect on what you're saying, and consider stepping away for a little bit.

Im now a troll and like the Ducks because I observed the REALITY that the Flames couldn't come away with a win?!?! Like damn u mad. That's messed up.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

You should really consider seeking help man. Just reflect on what you're saying, and consider stepping away for a little bit.

Im now a troll and like the Ducks because I observed the REALITY that the Flames couldn't come away with a win?!?! Like damn u mad. That's messed up.

I think like most people here, I thought the Flames were competitive in most of those games.

But you seem giddy to give it the lolz spin, which (like this post) is just more in a long line of examples of what I'm talking about.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I think like most people here, I thought the Flames were competitive in most of those games.

But you seem giddy to give it the lolz spin, which (like this post) is just more in a long line of examples of what I'm talking about.

Im not qualified to help you. You have MADE UP in your OWN mind somebody behind this text giddy and is a troll because I listed some players the Ducks drafted and gave them props for them in that department.

Like if you are visualizing this taking place right now, im not even remotely close to being in the mental health field but I'm telling you that you have a problem.

[TheScorpion]

This argument is making my head hurt.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I think everyone agrees that Talbot was the only reason the Oilers won games 1 and 2 but he's breaking down.

Sure.

I can't tell if you are just trolling Oilers fans or if you actually believe in what you are writing. Haha.

Are you disputing my claim that most NHL goalies struggle with workloads in excess of 85-90 games?

Has Talbot been as good in the second round as he was in round #1?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Ducks are showing why you need a properly built roster. The Flames didn't have goaltending and couldn't even muster up a single win. The Oilers don't have experience and they're letting this series slip from them. And they don't normally sign big name free agents. Look at how many players on this team was drafted by them:

-- Getzlaf
-- Perry
-- Rakell
-- Lindholm
-- Fowler
-- Vatanen
-- Montour
-- Gibson
-- Manson
-- Theodore
-- Ritchie
-- Kase
-- Wagner

Not to mention the home-grown drafted players they've parted with, or traded to bring in their current roster. This is why drafting is so important

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

To take a lead in the second round of the playoffs?

Might want to hold off touting them as a shining example until they actually go all the way.

They won a cup ten years ago but that has little to do with this roster outside their top two players.

This current roster and the incarnations resembling it haven't been a shining example of post season success in the last few years.

He's right GJG.

They've won the division 5 straight years and it's mostly because they draft and develop their own players. Sure they haven't won a cup in ten years, but I'd take what they've done over what the Flames have done. Any Canadian fan base should say the same too.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He's right GJG.

They've won the division 5 straight years and it's mostly because they draft and develop their own players. Sure they haven't won a cup in ten years, but I'd take what they've done over what the Flames have done. Any Canadian fan base should say the same too.

The Ducks are a game away from getting into the 3rd round with what is probably the youngest blue line in the league by a wide margin. Can't argue that they are one of the best drafting teams in the league when you consider they are never picking top 10. Flames aren't remotely close when it comes to identifying and developing talent but then again you can say that for most of the league outside of a small handful of teams.

[GoJetsGo]

While I hope they advance one more round just for the sake of bouncing the Oilers, I remain unconvinced they're anything special. Good team, yes, but much like the Blues who've iced a solid team for many years but have been unable to get over the hump.

I think it goes without saying with that window prior to and tearing things down, the Flames would take many teams records over that stretch. Not saying much imo.

[Erick Estrada]

I think they don't have a replacement for Getzlaf or Perry (who's already on the decline) but they should be able to stay above water like the Predators did when they were propped up by their blue line and goaltending. Maybe not a pure cup contender but perennial playoff team.

[Corral]

The Flames passed on Getzlaf in the 2003 draft to draft Pylon Phaneuf ... perhaps one of the biggest goof ups in team history. He was a star with the Flames very own junior team and is the big #1 centre that we always missed in the Iginla years

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[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Corral

The Flames passed on Getzlaf in the 2003 draft to draft Pylon Phaneuf ... perhaps one of the biggest goof ups in team history. He was a star with the Flames very own junior team and is the big #1 centre that we always missed in the Iginla years

Getz was drafted ten spots later and wasn't considered a top 10 candidate at all. There were a lot of questions about him as a prospect. Suggesting this was a goof up is pure revisionist history as he simply wasn't in that tier for that draft.
A more fair point would be to say they should have drafted Jeff Carter
But when it is all said and done, despite his warts, the Flames picked a guy who will play over 1000 NHL games. That is an absolute home run. No way you can call this a goof up let alone one of the biggest ones in team history.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Corral

The Flames passed on Getzlaf in the 2003 draft to draft Pylon Phaneuf ... perhaps one of the biggest goof ups in team history. He was a star with the Flames very own junior team and is the big #1 centre that we always missed in the Iginla years

Ah, yes. It is always fun to play the hindsight regret game, but at the time of the draft Phaneuf was easily the right choice at #9. Hell, he scored 60 points in his second NHL season, and was a runner-up for the Norris Trophy that year.

It would have been amazing if the Flames had drafted Getzlaf, but this most certainly was not a "goof up," and definitely not among the most egregious.