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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Couldn't the former team even ask for compensation in this case?

I believe they could but it's probably something that would be frowned on across the league as you don't want to hold back a coach that you relieved of his coaching duties from working again.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Yeah, looking at him now he's a Regehr-like mean streak, an accurate bomb slapshot and a bit more experience away from being a truly elite #1 D-man. Gio will eventually decline and settle into an extremely steadily #3.

Then you realize Dougie is still 3 years younger than Brodie. And defencemen age like fine cheese...

To put it in perspective.

At 22, Brodie still played most of his games in the AHL and was not a full time NHLer yet.

At 22, Giordano was in the AHL, still 2 years away from his Moscow stint to improve his game.

Hamilton also is only one year older than Seth Jones, and Seth Jones would need over 40 points next year to even match Hamilton's current point total at 22.

Some people just don't realize how much of a coup it was to get Hamilton for so cheap.

[Dan403]

When you interview someone for a coaching position or a GM position, you get to pick their brain about your organization. You get a candid outsider's view of what you team has and what it can do.

So you interview lots of candidates, some that you're not even intending on hiring, just to get information.

Carlyle will NOT be head coach here. But there's no problem with an interview. Same could be said for Yeo.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Wasn't there a story that it was actually Bob Boughner was one of the guys that took Reggie aside during that 02/03 season as well and told him it was time for him to use his size.

Actually that is a name I wouldn't mind trying to poach as an associate coach.

I honestly have no idea, but what I do remeber is this. In that epic Anahiem / Calgary brawl fest game in either 02 or 03 (can't rember), I do recall that when Reggie came to Vernon's aid when Sauer (spell) ran him, he got whooped by Sauer.

Reggie clearly took some brawling training between that game and the re-match, challenged Sauer again, won that fight (although I feel like Sauer didn't really fight back) and after that, I felt like Reggie totally played with an edge and physicality from that point on, not just in regards to being able to throw punches once in a while.

[psyang]

Originally Posted by Dan403

When you interview someone for a coaching position or a GM position, you get to pick their brain about your organization. You get a candid outsider's view of what you team has and what it can do.

So you interview lots of candidates, some that you're not even intending on hiring, just to get information.

Carlyle will NOT be head coach here. But there's no problem with an interview. Same could be said for Yeo.

I tend to agree - Treliving has also been praised for "leaving no stone unturned", so being thorough doesn't surprise me. The one thing that doesn't quite fit though is why Boudreau wasn't interviewed. Is there another team that is more in the Flames' head than Anaheim? Seems like either a missed opportunity unless Brad is even better than we thought at preventing media leaks.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by Firebot

To put it in perspective.

At 22, Brodie still played most of his games in the AHL and was not a full time NHLer yet.

At 22, Giordano was in the AHL, still 2 years away from his Moscow stint to improve his game.

Hamilton also is only one year older than Seth Jones, and Seth Jones would need over 40 points next year to even match Hamilton's current point total at 22.

Some people just don't realize how much of a coup it was to get Hamilton for so cheap.

Yes, true - the trade was great. However, now that we're paying him $5.75M per year, we shouldn't be comparing him to players similar in age. Brodie and Giordano were probably making $600k per year so we weren't expecting anything from them, nor was there much of an opportunity cost waiting while they develop as they didn't eat up any of the cap. It was fantastic they turned out way better than expected as we gained some value years from their contracts. At $5.75M, Hamilton needs to produce at the level of a top 3 defenceman right now...regardless of his age or the potential he shows. We need to hope he's able to improve much further as the contract goes on if we want his contract to turn into a value contract.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Yes, true - the trade was great. However, now that we're paying him $5.75M per year, we shouldn't be comparing him to players similar in age. Brodie and Giordano were probably making $600k per year so we weren't expecting anything from them, nor was there much of an opportunity cost waiting while they develop as they didn't eat up any of the cap. It was fantastic they turned out way better than expected as we gained some value years from their contracts. At $5.75M, Hamilton needs to produce at the level of a top 3 defenceman right now...regardless of his age or the potential he shows. We need to hope he's able to improve much further as the contract goes on if we want his contract to turn into a value contract.

What does that production look like exactly? 43 points seem reasonable?

[saXon]

I thought this was coach news, not Dougie Hamilton's awesome thread

[868904]

Originally Posted by Dan403

When you interview someone for a coaching position or a GM position, you get to pick their brain about your organization. You get a candid outsider's view of what you team has and what it can do.

So you interview lots of candidates, some that you're not even intending on hiring, just to get information.

Carlyle will NOT be head coach here. But there's no problem with an interview. Same could be said for Yeo.

I don't like your logical reasoning, I think it is better to freak out, this is the internet after all!

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Yes, true - the trade was great. However, now that we're paying him $5.75M per year, we shouldn't be comparing him to players similar in age. Brodie and Giordano were probably making $600k per year so we weren't expecting anything from them, nor was there much of an opportunity cost waiting while they develop as they didn't eat up any of the cap. It was fantastic they turned out way better than expected as we gained some value years from their contracts. At $5.75M, Hamilton needs to produce at the level of a top 3 defenceman right now...regardless of his age or the potential he shows. We need to hope he's able to improve much further as the contract goes on if we want his contract to turn into a value contract.

Erik Karlsson 2015-2016 OTT D 82 16 66 82
Brent Burns 2015-2016 SJS D 82 27 48 75
Kris Letang 2015-2016 PIT D 71 16 51 67
Roman Josi 2015-2016 NSH D 81 14 47 61
John Klingberg 2015-2016 DAL D 76 10 48 58
Mark Giordano 2015-2016 CGY D 82 21 35 56
Oliver Ekman-Larsson 2015-2016 ARI D 75 21 34 55
Dustin Byfuglien 2015-2016 WPG D 81 19 34 53
Drew Doughty 2015-2016 LAK D 82 14 37 51
Ryan Suter 2015-2016 MIN D 82 8 43 51
Shea Weber 2015-2016 NSH D 78 20 31 51
P.K. Subban 2015-2016 MTL D 68 6 45 51
Tyson Barrie 2015-2016 COL D 78 13 36 49
Brent Seabrook 2015-2016 CHI D 81 14 35 49
Keith Yandle 2015-2016 NYR D 82 5 42 47
Victor Hedman 2015-2016 TBL D 78 10 37 47
Shayne Gostisbehere 2015-2016 PHI D 64 17 29 46
TJ Brodie 2015-2016 CGY D 70 6 39 45
Torey Krug 2015-2016 BOS D 81 4 40 44
Kevin Shattenkirk 2015-2016 STL D 72 14 30 44
Andrei Markov 2015-2016 MTL D 82 5 39 44
Dougie Hamilton 2015-2016 CGY D 82 12 31 43
Duncan Keith 2015-2016 CHI D 67 9 34 43

Dougie Hamilton was 22nd in points at 22 last year.

>P.K. Subban
P.K. Subban
DEFENSEMAN $9,000,000
2 >Shea Weber
Shea Weber
DEFENSEMAN $7,857,143
3 >Ryan Suter
Ryan Suter
DEFENSEMAN $7,538,462
4 >Kris Letang
Kris Letang
DEFENSEMAN $7,250,000
5 >Brian Campbell
Brian Campbell
DEFENSEMAN $7,142,875
6 >Drew Doughty
Drew Doughty
DEFENSEMAN $7,000,000
7 >Zdeno Chara
Zdeno Chara
DEFENSEMAN $6,916,667
8 >Alex Pietrangelo
Alex Pietrangelo
DEFENSEMAN $6,500,000
>Erik Karlsson
Erik Karlsson
DEFENSEMAN $6,500,000
10 >Mike Green
Mike Green
DEFENSEMAN $6,000,000
>Johnny Boychuk
Johnny Boychuk
DEFENSEMAN $6,000,000
12 >Brent Seabrook
Brent Seabrook
DEFENSEMAN $5,800,000
13 >Brent Burns
Brent Burns
DEFENSEMAN $5,760,000
14 >Andrei Markov
Andrei Markov
DEFENSEMAN $5,750,000
>Tobias Enstrom
Tobias Enstrom
DEFENSEMAN $5,750,000
>Matt Niskanen
Matt Niskanen
DEFENSEMAN $5,750,000
>Dougie Hamilton
Dougie Hamilton
DEFENSEMAN $5,750,000

Dougie Hamilton is 17th in the league in salary. He will be on that same salary until he is 26. Most of the guys above him in points are older to much older (with some notable exceptions).

Hamilton is a bargain.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by saXon

I thought this was coach news, not Dougie Hamilton's awesome thread

Need to go to the Jankowski thread to talk about coach news.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by saXon

I thought this was coach news, not Dougie Hamilton's awesome thread

Dougie Hamilton would make a great coach.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Personally, I think the Hamilton trade is a little overstated. A good trade, but not the fleecing most people think it is.

I don't see Hamilton as a future Norris winner or a captain. Nor do I see him as the type of player that carries a team on his shoulders. He's a good 2-4 guys though and I am happy to have him. He is the type of player you would hope to draft in the first half of the 1st round, so giving up a 15th was decent considering he was already proven. Adding two 2nd rounders evened it out more. A good deal, but not a career maker IMO like some people consider it.

I think who he hires as coach will be very important and will make or break him over the next couple of seasons.

Hamilton is the exact type of player that EDM and some other teams are desperate to acquire. Big RHD with the capability of running your powerplay. EDM would likely give up #4 overall for a guy like Hamilton. EDM trades Connor and a 2nd for Reinhart. Just goes to show how much of a fleecing the Hamilton trade was.

Big, young RHD who have #2-3 potential pretty much never become available. If they do the price is Ryan Johansen. Instead of paying Monahan for Hamilton like CBJ did, Treliving got him for draft picks. Frickin steal. The deal is going to look better and better over time IMO

[sureLoss]

Aaron Portzline @Aportzline
Ottawa #Sens have granted #Ducks permission to interview former @BSens_Hockey coach Luke Richardson for coaching vacancy.

Aaron Portzline @Aportzline
Richardson, former #CBJ captain, wants to be an #NHL head coach, not an assistant. If it doesn't happen this summer, he'll take a year away.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Aaron Portzline @Aportzline
Ottawa #Sens have granted #Ducks permission to interview former @BSens_Hockey coach Luke Richardson for coaching vacancy.

Aaron Portzline @Aportzline
Richardson, former #CBJ captain, wants to be an #NHL head coach, not an assistant. If it doesn't happen this summer, he'll take a year away.

If he can't get a head coaching job right now how will taking a year off make him more attractive? Really odd decision that would be.

[Strange Brew]

At the risk of derailing, I think you need to look beyond points in evaluating a defenseman's value to a team. Having a high scoring D corps is far from a guarantee of success.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by New Era

What does that production look like exactly? 43 points seem reasonable?

I would hope a $5.75M contract would get me a defenceman who can play top 3 mins and can handle all situations (including the PK). Having said that, I'm hopeful Dougie can make the jump this year with Russell and Wideman(?) gone and his contract can turn into a value contract.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Please just use this thread for coaching news. Thanks.

[CaptainYooh]

Where do rumours of Darryl Sutter being available originate? I have not heard any of the TV analysts raising this as a possibility. Regardless of Darryl potentially being very uncomfortable coming back to coach in Calgary due to his termination, was there any serious mentioning of him leaving LA and becoming available that I had missed?

P.S. For the record, I'd love for him to coach Flames again. I just don't think it has any chance of happening.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Where do rumours of Darryl Sutter being available originate? I have not heard any of the TV analysts raising this as a possibility. Regardless of Darryl potentially being very uncomfortable coming back to coach in Calgary due to his termination, was there any serious mentioning of him leaving LA and becoming available that I had missed?

P.S. For the record, I'd love for him to coach Flames again. I just don't think it has any chance of happening.

It's pretty simple really. LA has offered him a contract and he hasn't accepted it yet. That's where it originates.

Also, you're talking about how he left Calgary as GM. He's always had a good relationship with Ken King, and that really has nothing to do with a potential coaching job.