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Old 11-12-2017, 08:36 PM   #601
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Mid season finale was awesome. Great conclusion and cliff hanger with still a lot of questions. Lorca did something -- if you look on his navigation console just before they did the last jump it shows the sequence they were in when fighting the Klingons. It says "Override - Lorca, G." Then the destination for jump 133 was "Unknown". And he also said "Let's go home" right before they did the last jump that malfunctioned. So where did he take them, and to why end? Are they in the mirror universe now? Can't wait for January!
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Yeah, I thought it was a really good episode without a lot of weaknesses.

Good eye on the Navi console stuff.

Also when Stamets came out of the chamber and collapsed and had the crazy eyes, I couldn't have been the only one to think of Gary Mitchell from TOS who became a god and had similar eyes.

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When’s the next episode?

I really enjoyed that episode as well.
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:06 PM   #605
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Oh man see how much better it was when the Klingons spoke English?!

Interesting episode, Lorca wanting to protect the planet seems out of character, though I guess wanting to fight rather than run... them coming up with a way to work out the cloaking in a few hours while no one thought of the same thing during the whole war is kind of silly, they could have at least brought the tower's broadcast into the formula to make it less deus ex machina.

So for a bit I was convinced the Tyler speculation was disproven beyond a doubt, but then there's the bit at the end which puts it all in doubt again. Also Klingon boobs.

So did Lorca send them somewhere else on purpose because he knew he'd lose his command as soon as they got back after the Admiral?

Did they transmit the info to penetrate the cloaks before jumping?

So many questions!!
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:11 PM   #606
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Some little nitpicks on my part, but it drove me crazy.

so you're sneaking onto a Klingon ship and you have to set up these two probes on the QT, and then you forget to disable the light bright and really loud speaker.

I still think what we saw was Tyler getting body reconstruction surgery, but its funny because at his core he'd still have Klingon DNA, and you'd think he'd be scanned at pretty much a molecular level when he returned from 7 months of captivity.

Ok, this really drove me nuts. "Ok Berman, I'm not letting you go on the away mission, but Tyler, you were tortured by the Klingons for 7 months, and haven't had any psychological counseling of a vacation, off you go" Lorca logic.
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Yeah the torture could be surgery, though why would they do surgery like that?! And I guess all his memories could be fake, he really believes he's Tyler.
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Yeah the torture could be surgery, though why would they do surgery like that?! And I guess all his memories could be fake, he really believes he's Tyler.
In the original series there were more then one episode where Crew Members were altered surgically to look like another species, I would expect that Klingon surgery is a lot more brutal.

I would bet that you really don't want to go and see a Klingon dentist.

With the Ship on the dead gone and Kol dead, the Klingon story line is probably shelved for no and they're going to focus on where the discovery is now.
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so you're sneaking onto a Klingon ship and you have to set up these two probes on the QT, and then you forget to disable the light bright and really loud speaker.
Or just transport the sensors into location, if you can transport the sensors and people, you can transport just the sensors
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With the Ship on the dead gone and Kol dead, the Klingon story line is probably shelved for no and they're going to focus on where the discovery is now.
Thus setting the record for fastest reboot ever!
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Or just transport the sensors into location, if you can transport the sensors and people, you can transport just the sensors
Yeah, I guess that could have been done too, and did they explain why the sensors had to be inside of the ship?

And one had to be on the bridge, I might have missed that.

But the plot needed them on the Klingon ship so they needed a reason to beam them there, to push the button and make sure the legs deployed?
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What an episode, nitpick later it was one hell of a ride.
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Have them detect a human lifesign and have to go rescue her because the closet of the mostly dead in the ship of the dead is lined with a substance that reduces smell but also makes it impervious to transport, or something.

Speculation on next season, kinda spoilerish since it involves some information from magazine articles and not the show itself:

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I think they pretty much confirmed that Tyler is Voq.

I'm sure someone will be doing a frame-by-frame analysis of the flashbacks, but watching in real time, it looked like there were a few shots where he looked to be partially Klingon. One in particular, is a side shot of him on the table screaming and it looks like his chin and mouth are human, but he has ridges on his nose and head.

It is interesting that he doesn't appear to know that he's really a Klingon. So, that at least explains how he's able to have a relationship with the woman who killed his spiritual leader.
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:53 PM   #615
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Or just transport the sensors into location, if you can transport the sensors and people, you can transport just the sensors
To take it a step further, if you can beam aboard a decloaking ship and the ship needs to decloak before attacking, a cloaking device would be useless during times of war. Every time a ship decloaks, give it a Vulcan Hello by beaming a nuke aboard. The Klingons would stop using the cloaking device pretty quick. You would think any type of warship would have a million transporter scramblers aboard making it impossible for any enemy to beam aboard.

I really didn't like the Admiral in the medical shuttle thing. I get they wanted her off the ship, but come on, if it is too dangerous for Discovery to warp to the starbase, why is it okay to send an Admiral on a shuttle?

Overall I am still digging the show and am looking forward to it returning.
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Speculation on next season, kinda spoilerish since it involves some information from magazine articles and not the show itself:

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I'm iffy on this and all the speculation about the Mirror Universe.

The MU is supposed to be a fun lark once in a while. Devoting more than an episode or two (like all of the talk about Enterprise season 5) to it will be jumping the shark so early in the show.

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Old 11-15-2017, 09:56 PM   #617
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I'm sure someone will be doing a frame-by-frame analysis of the flashbacks,
Voila.....

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Old 11-15-2017, 11:31 PM   #618
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I'm iffy on this and all the speculation about the Mirror Universe.

The MS is supposed to be a fun lark once in a while. Devoting more than an episode or two (like all of the talk about Enterprise season 5) to it will be jumping the shark so early in the show.
One option is the spore drive created the mirror verse so you could actually explore the specific event that changed the two verses.

They look like they ended up in that section of space the Traveler in NG took them.
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One option is the spore drive created the mirror verse so you could actually explore the specific event that changed the two verses.

They look like they ended up in that section of space the Traveler in NG took them.
It'd have to be a different mirror universe, remember that on Enterprise there was a mirron universe long before the events of discovery.

If the spore drive is basically tracking roots through the universe, its logical to assume that those roots grow across every eventuality.
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Not loving the mirror universe rumours.

While I loved DS9 to death, the mirror universe episodes never really struck a chord with me. And in the Star Trek novels it is the same: as soon as the mirror universe began to pollute the DS9 relaunch, I was done.

Trying to remain cautiously optimistic.
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