I really appreciate the information Pointman is bringing to us, I think he is doing a great job of giving us an unbiased look at how things are on the ground in Russia. We are incredibly lucky to be getting a look at it.
It's impossible not to be biased. We all are. He is in a far less neutral position though. At the beginning of the conflict, he said that Russia would not invade Ukraine or annex Crimea... well it happened.
I do appreciate his posts though and think he is a good guy, but not unbiased (how could he be?).
__________________
"A pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can."
The Following User Says Thank You to FlamesAddiction For This Useful Post:
Ok perhaps unbiased was the wrong term, but I think we can all agree he is giving us a very valuable look at how the average Russian is viewing this conflict from the other side.
I think the guy they're saying that is American has duel citizenship
__________________
Thank you for everything CP. Good memories and thankful for everything that has been done to help me out. I will no longer take part on these boards. Take care, Go Flames Go.
@UkraineConflict: #NSDC says rebels are using the credit card info of #MH17 victims #Ukraine...
Keep in mind the source though. The nsdc is the Defense council for Ukraine
Ukraine is coming up with a lot of information - video, recordings, photos, credit card info - either the rebels are really sloppy ( very likely), Ukraine and it's friends have great intelligence, or it's a hell of a disinformation campaign
Ukraine is coming up with a lot of information - video, recordings, photos, credit card info - either the rebels are really sloppy ( very likely), Ukraine and it's friends have great intelligence, or it's a hell of a disinformation campaign
I suspect you are correct on all three counts.
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to undercoverbrother For This Useful Post:
It's impossible not to be biased. We all are. He is in a far less neutral position though. At the beginning of the conflict, he said that Russia would not invade Ukraine or annex Crimea... well it happened.
Did I? All that I found was:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointman
I'm still not sure if the plan is to actually grab the land or just show off some power, or maybe it is indeed to protect Russian fleet base and Russian population.
I don't recall me flat out saying that Russia won't annex Crimea (even though I admit I didn't believe it would happen). In general, though, I'm just an average man and never claimed to be a political expert so whatever I expect to happen may very well be proven wrong.
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Pointman For This Useful Post:
Sometime in the future, it'd be nice for the black boxes to be hooked up to a G-meter and automatically upload their data to a satellite after a crash. It'd have stopped Russia from sabotaging this investigation, but it's much easier said than done and probably not worth the cost of retrofitting your fleet.
The treatment of the bodies (being looted, being left to rot and now this) has been absolutely disgusting. Rebels should be ashamed of themselves but it's all about destroying evidence and controlling the scene
Quote:
Armed rebels forced emergency workers to hand over all 196 bodies recovered from the Malaysia Airlines crash site and had them loaded Sunday onto refrigerated train cars bound for a rebel-held city, Ukrainian officials and monitors said.
The surprising, rapid-fire developments Sunday morning came after a wave of international outrage over how the bodies of plane crash victims were being handled and amid fears that the armed rebels who control the territory where the plane came down could be tampering with the evidence.
Quote:
Nataliya Khuruzhaya, a duty officer at the train station in Torez, 15 kilometers (9 miles) from the crash site, said she saw emergency workers loading plane victims' bodies Sunday morning into five sealed, refrigerated train cars.
She said the train was scheduled to head to the town of Ilovaysk, 35 kilometers (22 miles) further east toward the Russian border, but no instructions had been given about when it would leave or any possible destinations beyond Ilovaysk.
Russian news agencies said the bodies were heading to the rebel stronghold of Donetsk. Ukrainian officials say they expected to have the bodies eventually delivered to government-held city of Kharkiv, but it's unclear if the rebels will agree to do so.
Quote:
Earlier, Ukrainian Emergency Ministry spokeswoman Nataliya Bystro said workers at the crash site were forced to hand over the 196 bodies they had recovered to the armed rebels.
"Where they took the bodies — we don't know," Bystro told the AP, adding she had no information about the other 102 victims' bodies.
However, Michael Bociurkiw, a spokesman for monitors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, said some bodies have likely been incinerated without a trace.
"We're looking at the field where the engines have come down. This was the area which was exposed to the most intense heat. We do not see any bodies here. It appears that some have been vaporized," he told reporters in Kiev, speaking via phone from the crash site Sunday.
Alexander Pilyushny, an emergency worker combing the crash site for body parts Sunday morning, told the AP it took the rebels several hours Saturday to cart away the bodies. He said he and other workers had no choice but to hand over the bodies.
I was already not to fond of Russia but this is really making it easy to hate these "rebels"
__________________
Thank you for everything CP. Good memories and thankful for everything that has been done to help me out. I will no longer take part on these boards. Take care, Go Flames Go.
