They're close enough that there's no unemotional way someone can say "not a chance". They're neck and neck as prospects, McDavid just gets way more exposure.
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They're close enough that there's no unemotional way someone can say "not a chance". They're neck and neck as prospects, McDavid just gets way more exposure.
Not everyone thinks they're neck and neck. Someone made the comment (Friedman?) that he felt it was somewhat of a media thing to focus on the race, but he felt - and he suggested many scouts did as well - that there is clear separation between the two. I agree (unemotionally ).
Eichel would be a first overall most years, a truly fantastic player. But McDavid is special.
I've had my eye on Daniel Sprong and Dylan Strome since FC's preliminary draft rankings were released last summer.
Do either of them play a power-forward type game, or are they mainly just skill guys?
Sprong is certainly willing to drive the net but he relies on smarts and foot speed more than a lot of power forwards. He has a quick, heavy shot and is a very good passer. He's hard to knock off the puck.
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All we need to do is let Edmonton 'fleece' us in a trade again. We take their first overall pick in exchange for some more magic beans.
Eichel is the one for me. I'd take McDavid but I wouldn't be heartbroken to avoid the media circus that would inevitably follow him through his career if/when we don't get him.
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I tweeted this day, but looking at the top CHL lads contributing to respective team's "goals for" - leader from each league is 2015 Draft Eligible. Surprise overall leader.
Connor McDavid 2015 #NHLdraft Watch: Through 14 OHL GP, averaging 3 pts per game, in on an astonishing 50.6% of @ErieOtters goals for. #THW
2015 #NHLdraft Watch: Matt Barzal @Barzal_97: Through 15 @TheWHL GP, contributing on a #WHL best 45.95% of @SeattleTbirds goals for. #THW
#NHLdraft Watch: Dmytro Timashov @DTimashov: Thru 19 @QMJHL GP contributing on @CHLHockey leading 52.31% of @quebec_remparts goals for. #THW
*Obvious limitations of cross-league analysis, but interesting nonetheless...
host opens the interview saying that he is hearing there is a top 2 of McDavid and Eichel, there is a gap to Hanifin, then a drop off to fourth to tenth who are roughly equal - Pronman roughly agrees with this assessment
just talked to a scout today who said Hanifin is as good, if not better than Ekblad in his draft season. Pronman is not 100% sure if he is there yet
can make a strong case there is a top three tier in this draft
listener sends in a question asking how many centers does Pronman project to be better than Draisaitl in this draft
Pronman says McDavid and Eichel for sure. can argue Strome is close or a little better to where Draisaitl was
C Dylan Strome
host asks how much credit for Strome's sucess should be given to McDavid
Pronman says Strome is the 2nd line center and they play together on the PP, team at ES has made an effort to seperate the two
All the ontario scouts he talked to said to watch Strome, he has the talent to go top 5 this year
he is a dynamic talent, big center with high end offensive skill and high end hockey sense
Dylan is most certainly an elite prospect in his own right
Has had some scouts tell him that they would take Strome over Hanifin (not a majority opinion though)
C Pavel Zacha
zacha is a candidate for top 10, not sure if he is top 5
has size, great skater, skill, sees the ice really well
like his intangibles - works hard and comes back on defence
hasn't gotten off to a scorching start, but if you watch him you see he has all the abilities of a top 10 pick
C Matthew Barzal
can argue Barzal is lower end of the top 10, maybe 8-12
maybe last year you could say he is a clear top 10 pick, this year it is not as clear
very gifted player, former 1st overall WHL Bantam draft player, great skater, great playmaker, works hard
not a detriment to Barzal's abilities but it is a tough draft class
RW Daniel Sprong
thinks Sprong is making a case to be a top 8 or even a top 6 pick
has been really impressive
maybe one of the top 2 or 3 pure skaters in the draft
very highly skilled, explosive player. really fun to watch
D Oliver Kylington
Pronman is a big fan of Oliver Kylington
puts him close to where Hanifin is
has already passed point totals for Hedman and Brodin as 17 years old in the SHL
doesn't think Kylington is as good defensively as Hedman/Brodin was in that league but offensively he is right at their level, if not beyond
elite skater, very good playmaker, great on the PP, great joining the attack
thinks he is a high end prospect. in the discussion to be the top defencemen in this draft, but most likely #2
LW Evgeny Svechnikov
russian kid. Cape Breton Screaming Eagles
been a top prospect for a few years, played two years at u18 for Russia
big-pretty developed frame already, very skilled
thinks he will be on Russia's World Junior team this year
does not scream upside - not an elite offensive talent, but is pretty good
arguement to be in the middle of the first round/middle low end of the first round
C Travis Konecny
top guy to watch for
hasn't gotten to as good a start to the season as last year
C Mitch Marner
just watched him get back to back hat tricks this weekend
his puck skills and offensive skills are top 5/6 in this draft class
very dynamic and exciting forward to watch
also should be noted that Pronman does not believe this draft class to be great. he calls it a good draft class
he doesn't buy all the hype that some have given it
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I'm going to chuck a few hypotheticals at you guys:
Say the Flames make or are extremely close to the playoffs this year and aren't in the mix for a lottery pick. Say the consensus opinion shifts towards Pronman's statement that it's a 'good' draft and not this hyped-up 'Best Draft Ever'. Is there a point where Treliving should start listening to trade offers for our 1st round pick? What sort of player would need to be coming our way for people here to be ok with trading that much-coveted pick?
I'm going to chuck a few hypotheticals at you guys:
Say the Flames make or are extremely close to the playoffs this year and aren't in the mix for a lottery pick. Say the consensus opinion shifts towards Pronman's statement that it's a 'good' draft and not this hyped-up 'Best Draft Ever'. Is there a point where Treliving should start listening to trade offers for our 1st round pick? What sort of player would need to be coming our way for people here to be ok with trading that much-coveted pick?
No chance. We are still a long way from being a contender. The days of buying for a shot at 8th are over hopefully.
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No chance. We are still a long way from being a contender. The days of buying for a shot at 8th are over hopefully.
But say we were looking at drafting 14 or 15. I wouldn't advocate trading for a rental or a piece that didn't complement our young core. In that scenario I'd be half-tempted to trade for a stud top 3 defenceman and that's about all I'd consider.
I agree with you though; we're still not a contender and it's still likely that we fall back down to Earth at some point. Just a hypothetical.
But say we were looking at drafting 14 or 15. I wouldn't advocate trading for a rental or a piece that didn't complement our young core. In that scenario I'd be half-tempted to trade for a stud top 3 defenceman and that's about all I'd consider.
I agree with you though; we're still not a contender and it's still likely that we fall back down to Earth at some point. Just a hypothetical.
If a rebuilding team is willing to trade it away, it's likely not going to be good enough to get a stud with. We've been doing well with drafting and development, I'd rather stay the course.
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