Xbox One - Where Microsoft actually listens to consumers

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Posted this in the PS4 thread, but the area of Tennessee my dad lives in doesn't have broadband connection due to the lack of infrastructure and potential customers to justify the building of it. I also have a buddy who I constantly trade games with, and neither of us really go for the online stuff. Tell me why it makes sense for us to spend $100 more on an Xbox One than a PS4?

If you don't have internet it doesn't. Like I said, the Xbox won't be for everybody. However, the number of people the changes will effect seem to be over-exaggerated.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by ignite09

I'm not a MS employee, and find your argument asinine. I moved three years ago, and Telus had my internet hooked up within 24 hours. Maybe you should just do a better job of shopping around.

So your experience automatically means everyone else gets the exact same treatment. That's a logical argument if I've ever heard one

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

So your experience automatically means everyone else gets the exact same treatment. That's a logical argument if I've ever heard one

You used your experience as an argument did you not? Point is most consumers of this product will have 24 hour online capability, if not MS will suffer for it.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by ignite09

You used your experience as an argument did you not? Point is most consumers of this product will have 24 hour online capability, if not MS will suffer for it.

Have you ever been outside of the first world at all? Internet speeds and connectivity are hardly consistent in a lot of countries.

Real impact or not to the "majority", the bad optics of forcing consumers to adopt a solution that is clearly not in their interests is already causing MS to suffer.

[Rathji]

I am sure that people in the 3rd world are really concerned about the XBox One.

Seriously, I get the system has a ton of flaws, but bringing ridiculous arguments into the mix really doesn't help your position.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

What if you are vacationing in a cabin somewhere, or just want a DVD/blu-ray player on to go? Surely there are countless reasons as to why someone might not have an internet connection every 24 hours, without that meaning they don't have a life.

The authentication is only required for the games. MS said you won't need it for the other things like DVD and Bluray playback.

[TopChed]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I am sure that people in the 3rd world are really concerned about the XBox One.

Seriously, I get the system has a ton of flaws, but bringing ridiculous arguments into the mix really doesn't help your position.

I stayed with a well off family in Johannesburg in 2010. The guy worked for Panasonic and they didn't have wifi. Most of the people we stayed with used 3g usb sticks, or ADSL, but they bought their data a few gb at a time as they needed it. They didn't leave their wifi on constantly. While it's probably improved since then, I doubt their networks are as good as we have it in North America.

I'm sure there are several countries we don't think of as being part of the third world where this is a potential issue.

[Jbo]

Maybe as a consumer I'm not going to give them my money because they told customers to #dealwithit. Or the fact that they have an off-line option called Xbox 360.

I would even be okay with them needing an on-line verification of the game (Like Steam) on first time play, but to not even work without a daily check in is crazy. DRM has never worked the way it intended, from AC to Diablo 3 to Sim City.

I'm not some massive fanboy either, I have all the consoles out right now, but I find the arrogance Microsoft has this generation to be a piss off, and I am hoping they get run over.

[The Yen Man]

It's fine if that's the direction MS wants to go, but they risk alienating a lot of people. Is it overblown? I guess we'll see come launch time and afterwards. Using the internet to gauge interest, there is definitely a big possibility for potential backlash.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by ignite09

Isn't it possible that MS providing a developer friendly system might be to their advantage?

They are not providing a friendly developer system at all though. They mentioned their support of indie developers during their press conference and just showed Minecraft. Sony trotted out indie developer after indie developer at E3 on and off the stage. Microsoft been getting bad press from indie developers for the last few years. Xbone is specifically not allowing self publishing unlike the PS4.

Bottom line is that most people are seeing from Xbone is that you are being forced to ask for permission to play games you bought every 24 (or one) hours. You'd be getting a system that some are calling 1/3 less powerful than the PS4 based on released specs. You are forced to buy, install, and power additional mic and camera in your living room. All at an additional cost of $100 more to it main competitor with the public perception that Microsoft is saying - "Deal with it"

Frankly, Microsoft hasn't provided a coherent message about why/what customers get for the additional cost and burden. If they did, then at least there would be some measure of parity or comparison. But it has been a complete mess.

[chemgear]

[Flaming Choy]

Does anyone remember when the original xbox came out and only supported broadband network support (no dialup modem support) and everyone flipped out that it was being forced on consumers?

I kind of get the feeling it's the same with Kinect and a bunch of other features. Make it so from a development point of view, everyone is in the same box. They did the same thing with Windows Mobile 8 (or was it 7?) where it wasn't going to be supported by old hardware, only the newest ones. It's an immediate annoyance but I think will push longterm innovation.

I think if I was a day 1 purchaser I'd be getting a PS4, but I have a feeling down the line, the Xbox will be the more innovative product with hopefully more unique features/software. They will just have to dig themselves out of the huge PR hole they've dug themselves.

In terms of cost, do you think microsoft will roll out a subscription based program similar to a cellphone plan? Like pay $X/month for Y months and get the console and xbox live. I think they rolled out a similar program in a smaller scale for the 360. Would that make you more likely to jump in and get one?

[Coys1882]

Can you tether a console to a cell phone to complete the Microsoft validation check?

[Russic]

As a Sony fan I feel an odd urge to argue for the xbox. I mean... they're just getting hammered so hard right now, it's almost getting difficult to watch.

- Kinect isn't going to record anything unless you want it to. Hackers controlling it is a problem, but I can think of about 10 things they could hack into that would be far more debilitating.

- a check-in isn't going to take a large amount of data (or at least it shouldn't). It's not as though you'll need to upload a 15mb packet of data to let them know you're connected.

I'm an Apple fan, so it'd be hypocritical of me to rip on MS for adopting a "keep up or be left behind" attitude when Apple basically perfected that line of thinking. There are absolute benefits to going that direction.

What amazes me is how poorly MS is handling their image. Sony essentially wrote the manual on how to not launch a system with the PS3, and it's as though MS has adopted it as a mission statement. Sony seems like they're trying to sell an experience while MS is trying to dictate it. Anybody remember "people will get a second job to buy a PS3"? The only thing dumber than saying something like that is knowingly following the same path years later.

[The Yen Man]

Yah, it almost feels like a role reversal. When the 360 was first announced, I thought MS was doing everything right. They were releasing a powerful, developer friendly, cater to the customer type of console. Sony, on the other hand, contintued with their stubborn stance of "we know best" with the PS3 by using custom architecture that was hard to develop for, and pricey components that drove the price up. They were resting on their laurels from the success of the PS2.

After being humbled by MS this generation, it feels like Sony is treading more carefully this time, to make sure their console is easy to develop for, released at the same time as the competition, and at a competitive price.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

So your experience automatically means everyone else gets the exact same treatment.

Originally Posted by Russic

What amazes me is how poorly MS is handling their image. Sony essentially wrote the manual on how to not launch a system with the PS3, and it's as though MS has adopted it as a mission statement. Sony seems like they're trying to sell an experience while MS is trying to dictate it. Anybody remember "people will get a second job to buy a PS3"? The only thing dumber than saying something like that is knowingly following the same path years later.

Not trying to call out individuals but I saw an interesting quote on Neogaf about the concept of being "Privileged - saying and thinking that an issue isn't a problem because it is simply not a problem for you."

Goes to the whole arrogance and DEALWITHIT attitude by Sony for PS3 originally and the Xbone now.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

Can you tether a console to a cell phone to complete the Microsoft validation check?

If your wireless plan allows it, sure. The question is, why should you have to, or more importantly why would you want to if there is a machine that will perform as well or better without having to perform that extra step and costs $100 less? This is what I don't get about the people defending Microsoft. Maybe none of these flaws are a big deal to a lot of people, but they're still mildly annoying, potentially inconvenient, and cost $100 more.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by rubecube

and cost $100 more.

And holy fatter too. I thought the PS4 looked larger than I thought during the Tretton-Gametrailers interview. The Xbone is massive in comparison.

[chemgear]

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/p...one/disclaimer

Xbox One-Supported Xbox Live Countries

• Australia
• Austria
• Belgium
• Brazil
• Canada
• Denmark
• Finland
• France
• Germany
• Ireland
• Italy
• Mexico
• Netherlands
• New Zealand
• Norway
• Russia
• Spain
• Sweden
• Switzerland
• United Kingdom
• United States

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by chemgear

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/p...one/disclaimer


Xbox One-Supported Xbox Live Countries

• Australia
• Brazil
• Canada
• Mexico
• New Zealand
• Norway
• Russia
• Sweden
• Switzerland
• United States

Good thing none of these countries have areas where internet connection might be sparse.