Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Da_Chief]

Some notes from Mckeens and their march rankings.
http://www.mckeenshockey.com/draft-b...february-2013/

Frederik Gauthier

Rimouski center Frederik Gauthier is one of the developing wildcards for this draft. There was talk over the opening months that Gauthier might challenge the top 10 as he appeared to be shaping into a big two-way force. However, since suffering a broken jaw...

Josh Morrissey

There are also growing concerns about Prince Albert blueliner Josh Morrissey and specifically whether he will develop the strength and jam to defend at the next level.

Thescoutingreport view on top 60
http://www.thescoutingreport.org/wp-...0-Rankings.pdf

Fred Gauthier - C

Overall, Gauthier is a player who needs polish but continues
to see his stock on the rise. Don’t be surprised to see him continue his
ascension in our Final rankings at this rate

Anthony Mantha - LW

Brings a tantalizing combination of size and scoring ability… Has the ability to dominate games when he’s playing to his potential… Needs to improve his consistency and compete level…

Bo Horvart - C

Versatile player with strong positional awareness and developed defensive game… Shows above average offensive creativity and scoring ability…

Jason Dickinson

Effective on the PK and understands defensive responsibilities… Offensive game shows flashes but needs more consistency… Longer term prospect with Top 6 upside

Jacob De La Rose - C

Has played effective minutes with Leksand in the Allsvenskan this year… Big bodied centre possesses heady vision and an ability to make plays… Uses his body effectively at the pro level

Connor Hurley - C (similar to Jankowski)

Lanky centre with high-end vision and playmaking… Needs to show he can handle rigors of higher levels and tighter checking… Will benefit from NCAA development

Anton Slepyshev - LW

Was ranked by TSR as a Top 30 player last year before going undrafted due to concerns of staying in Russia… Big bodied winger has a high skill level and ability to score goals

Some interesting options available for sure.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Some notes from Mckeens and their march rankings.
http://www.mckeenshockey.com/draft-b...february-2013/

Frederik Gauthier



Josh Morrissey

Not really a huge fan of either Morrissey or Ryan Pulock, the two WHL defenders everyone seems to have going between 10-20.

They are very different players but both seem quite raw and neither seem like they'll project great at the next level.

Would almost rather chase Madison Bowey and/or Jesse Lees in the bottom of the 1st round.

[jessnuts]

Just thought if something - doesn't NJ have to give up their 1st round pick this year (I think it's the last year they had the option to after the kovy contract) and there for do all of our first round picks that would be after theirs (stl, pit) move up one spot? Good year draft wise and # of picks wise if it is. I may be wrong however and it could be they have the option to put it off one more year. Anyone know?

[3thirty]

Originally Posted by jessnuts

Just thought if something - doesn't NJ have to give up their 1st round pick this year (I think it's the last year they had the option to after the kovy contract) and there for do all of our first round picks that would be after theirs (stl, pit) move up one spot? Good year draft wise and # of picks wise if it is. I may be wrong however and it could be they have the option to put it off one more year. Anyone know?

Iirc they can still give up next years if they choose to

[albertGQ]

So if Avs get the #2 pick and we get the #1, you guys think they'll accept our #1 pick and our third rounder for their #2 pick and second rounder? They'll take Jones and we can get either Mackinnen or Drouin. And we move up 30 spots as well.

[nik-]

If we get the first overall, we should just take who we want and forget about being clever and trading down.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

So if Avs get the #2 pick and we get the #1, you guys think they'll accept our #1 pick and our third rounder for their #2 pick and second rounder? They'll take Jones and we can get either Mackinnen or Drouin. And we move up 30 spots as well.

Certainly possible.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

So if Avs get the #2 pick and we get the #1, you guys think they'll accept our #1 pick and our third rounder for their #2 pick and second rounder? They'll take Jones and we can get either Mackinnen or Drouin. And we move up 30 spots as well.

Depends on how well Feaster and company can convince the Avs that the Flames will take Jones with the first overall pick.

However, the Flames should just take the BPA regardless of position. There are too many holes in the organization for one draft to fix.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

So if Avs get the #2 pick and we get the #1, you guys think they'll accept our #1 pick and our third rounder for their #2 pick and second rounder? They'll take Jones and we can get either Mackinnen or Drouin. And we move up 30 spots as well.

This has been brought up before, but if the Av's have a good feeling that the flames would pick Mackinnen with their first, why would they trade up?

[Ashasx]

If we have to add a 3rd round pick to move down, only to gain a 2nd, I'd rather have to glory of picking MacKinnon first overall. I'd do it if we didn't have to give up a 3rd.

Anyway, that's not how I see this going down anyway. Avs will finish below us.

[YYC in LAX]

Interesting...I still think you have to go with MacKinnon if you are in the position to do so. Drouin vs Barkov would be a tougher decision.

As highly touted as Jones is, I just don't think he's what the Flames should be targeting right now. Give me that #1 C. Seems to be the consensus on CP.

Andrew Walker ‏@fan960walker 10h
The more scouts I talk to- the more say that McKinnon may project as a winger in the NHL- Barkov, a Kopitar-type player

Andrew Walker ‏@fan960walker 10h
Barkov (cont.) may end up being the guy to watch for the #Flames

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by nik-

If we get the first overall, we should just take who we want and forget about being clever and trading down.

This. Trade down with the St. Louis pick. This isn't football and Feaster sure isnt Belichick. Get your guy and start a new core.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If we have to add a 3rd round pick to move down, only to gain a 2nd, I'd rather have to glory of picking MacKinnon first overall. I'd do it if we didn't have to give up a 3rd.

Anyway, that's not how I see this going down anyway. Avs will finish below us.

If the Avs beat Calgary in the next game, Calgary literally controls their own destiny.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

This has been brought up before, but if the Av's have a good feeling that the flames would pick Mackinnen with their first, why would they trade up?

We lie and leak that we're down to Jones or Drouin. If management is compelled to trade out. But that's a stupid decision, especially if we're getting a minimal return.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

[B]Andrew Walker ‏@fan960walker 10h
The more scouts I talk to- the more say that McKinnon may project as a winger in the NHL- Barkov, a Kopitar-type player

What criteria does an organization use to determine what position a player will play? Just curious what qualities coaches look for in a center as opposed to a winger, as I've never played hockey myself in any organized fashion.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Interesting...I still think you have to go with MacKinnon if you are in the position to do so. Drouin vs Barkov would be a tougher decision.

As highly touted as Jones is, I just don't think he's what the Flames should be targeting right now. Give me that #1 C. Seems to be the consensus on CP.

Andrew Walker ‏@fan960walker 10h
The more scouts I talk to- the more say that McKinnon may project as a winger in the NHL- Barkov, a Kopitar-type player

Andrew Walker ‏@fan960walker 10h
Barkov (cont.) may end up being the guy to watch for the #Flames

This makes no sense to me. He's a fantastic Centerman. I too would like to know the criteria on which this is based.

[PeteLFan]

How do they project him as a winger? He had all the quality traits you look for in a top line center, solid two way play, relentless motor.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Interesting...I still think you have to go with MacKinnon if you are in the position to do so. Drouin vs Barkov would be a tougher decision.

As highly touted as Jones is, I just don't think he's what the Flames should be targeting right now. Give me that #1 C. Seems to be the consensus on CP.

[B]Andrew Walker ‏@fan960walker 10h
The more scouts I talk to- the more say that McKinnon may project as a winger in the NHL- Barkov, a Kopitar-type player

Andrew Walker ‏@fan960walker 10h
Barkov (cont.) may end up being the guy to watch for the #Flames[/B]

If Flames draft Mackinnon his winger days are over

[Wronskian]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

How do they project him as a winger? He had all the quality traits you look for in a top line center, solid two way play, relentless motor.

CHL centers who get moved to the wing in the NHL do so based on organizational depth. Seguin only plays wing on the Bruins because they had Bergeron and Krejci when he got there. We have zero depth at center, therefore he will NOT (or shouldn't be) moved to the wing. Same stuff was said about Stamkos if I recall correctly. Some scouts just don't like shoot-first centers.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

How do they project him as a winger? He had all the quality traits you look for in a top line center, solid two way play, relentless motor.

He is a converted RW, so maybe some scouts just liked his game more when he was a winger. He was more highly touted when he was a winger.

A lot of teams favour size at centre as well. Most #1 centres are 6' or bigger (Crosby, Datsyuk and Duchesne are notable exceptions). It's not a deal breaker, but I think there is a bias there.