iPhone vs Android

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers

Your analogy is a bit off. What OS a phone is running is more important than the specific model of the phone. This will drive app development which, in turn, feeds back into an OS's market share. That's how it turned out with PC OSs.

As much as I love Android, I don't want an ecosystem completely dominated by one OS, but that's the way things are trending. It can lead to stagnation. Going back to my PC example, if MS didn't help prop up Apple back in the day, we probably wouldn't have the choices we have today.

Wait. Are you suggesting that iOS will become irrelevant?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Here we go

[photon]

Originally Posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers

More important because in a year, we won't be discussing S3 vs. iPhone5. We will still be discussing Android vs. iOS.

That's great, not sure how that's relevant to my original post at all, but you are most likely correct.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers

More important because in a year, we won't be discussing S3 vs. iPhone5. We will still be discussing Android vs. iOS.

In about 3 years it will be Samsung vs Motorola if Apple keeps this up.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Apple is starting to look like how Blackberry did a few years ago. still a top manufacturer, devoted fanbase, but stagnant on development and unable to adapt with a fast shifting marketplace. the iPhone 6 better be something absolutely amazing, because i think Apple is in trouble if it isn't

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Apple is starting to look like how Blackberry did a few years ago. still a top manufacturer, devoted fanbase, but stagnant on development and unable to adapt with a fast shifting marketplace. the iPhone 6 better be something absolutely amazing, because i think Apple is in trouble if it isn't

It's a little early to be calling that sort of connection as Apple has only ever made jumps in technology every couple of years and they're due for another "revolution" very soon.

That being said, I hope they'll continue being a leader in the market as technological advances are always enjoyable to see.

But I would still never buy one of their products. :P

Sent from my GT-I9100M

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Apple is starting to look like how Blackberry did a few years ago. still a top manufacturer, devoted fanbase, but stagnant on development and unable to adapt with a fast shifting marketplace. the iPhone 6 better be something absolutely amazing, because i think Apple is in trouble if it isn't

Actually there are quite a few little improvements in iOS 6 that aren't present in the Android OS that are great for business. For example if you connect it to your work wifi, and then change your network password; it will now prompt you to change your password on the phone.

It also seems to be a lot more tolerant with any issues connecting to Exchange with Active Sync.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Apple is starting to look like how Blackberry did a few years ago. still a top manufacturer, devoted fanbase, but stagnant on development and unable to adapt with a fast shifting marketplace. the iPhone 6 better be something absolutely amazing, because i think Apple is in trouble if it isn't

Wow, one phone from one manufacturer outsells the iPhone in one quarter of one fiscal year, and suddenly Apple = RIM?

Come on. There's the metaphor or talking out your ass, and then there's actually trying to communicate with people while your head is physically inside your ass. The former is somewhat tolerable, while the latter is just putting on a show to see who gets the most offended.

Let's try to keep this stuff within the confines of an intelligent conversation, Bertuzzied aside of course.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Apple is starting to look like how Blackberry did a few years ago. still a top manufacturer, devoted fanbase, but stagnant on development and unable to adapt with a fast shifting marketplace. the iPhone 6 better be something absolutely amazing, because i think Apple is in trouble if it isn't

Yeah, I think I said something similar as well. Blackberry for years just refreshed their (at the time) great line of products, small updates but nothing wow for years. Feel the same way about Apple currently honestly. Just continually selling the same products and the unknowing public and loyal fanbase are continuing the high sales.

Obviously that could all turn around if they do something amazing in turn but nothing exciting is coming out of Apple. They are the ones following not leading the way as they once did. Not surprising considering Steve Jobs is now gone. Does anyone look at Tim Cook and think, now theirs an ideas man!

Apple could probably get by on another couple years of their current products, slight refreshes of what they have out now but at the very least they have to do something about their bland and boring UI.

[Bobblehead]

There is nothing that exists to replace iOS the way Apple stepped in and (in the end) beat the living tar out of RIM. Unless people think the new Microsoft offerings are that innovative.

But the recent missteps of Apple do seem to be making people question the security of Apple's position. People who have used iPhone for years now contemplating something else. That didn't happen 2 years ago.

What I wonder is if this is Android catching up or Apple stumbling (or both)? And where is MS going to fit into this fight?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

There is nothing that exists to replace iOS the way Apple stepped in and (in the end) beat the living tar out of RIM. Unless people think the new Microsoft offerings are that innovative.

The iPhone was unusable for business purposes for until at least the 3g version IIRC.

What I wonder is if this is Android catching up or Apple stumbling (or both)? And where is MS going to fit into this fight?

Obviously a bit of both, just like with Apple beating the tar out of RIM. It was Apple's innovations along with RIM's total lack there of that lead to RIM where they are now.

When I think of Google vs Apple, Android vs iOS I just think of which companies Apps are on each device. The iPhone is hard up without Apps like Search, Gmail and of course Google Maps. Android is same ol' android sans any Apps from Apple.

I was really hoping Apple would blow me away with the 5th version but it didn't. The 5 might have been the last iPhone Steve Jobs had any finger print on. I have little faith in next years version doing anything amazing.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Wow, one phone from one manufacturer outsells the iPhone in one quarter of one fiscal year, and suddenly Apple = RIM?

Come on. There's the metaphor or talking out your ass, and then there's actually trying to communicate with people while your head is physically inside your ass. The former is somewhat tolerable, while the latter is just putting on a show to see who gets the most offended.

Let's try to keep this stuff within the confines of an intelligent conversation, Bertuzzied aside of course.

wow. you know this thread exists mostly because of you right? haha

[QuadCityImages]

I feel like I've been seeing/hearing/reading an exponential increase in people saying "I've had the last 3 iPhones but this time I decided to take a look at the S3". Yes, they're anecdotal conversations, but at some point they start to add up. I also think analysts have always underestimated the number of people that just don't want to be an "iPhone person," because of the attitude that the commercials have always given off.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by QuadCityImages

I feel like I've been seeing/hearing/reading an exponential increase in people saying "I've had the last 3 iPhones but this time I decided to take a look at the S3". Yes, they're anecdotal conversations, but at some point they start to add up. I also think analysts have always underestimated the number of people that just don't want to be an "iPhone person," because of the attitude that the commercials have always given off.

The best 4 out of 5 weeks of sales for the S3 was after the iPhone 5 release so that alone says something.
The Kindle Fire HD also had their best selling days after the iPad Mini release.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

wow. you know this thread exists mostly because of you right? haha

He called someone an ass twice, and attacked you (even though you weren't part of the discussion) all because someone had to audacity to question if Apple was going to continue to be on top in the future.

Guy's a little crazy.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

wow. you know this thread exists mostly because of you right? haha

No it wasn't. That's just something you people like to tell yourselves while you're standing around with each others' junk in your hands. I wasn't part of any conversation that led to whoever it was making this thread.

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

He called someone an ass twice, and attacked you (even though you weren't part of the discussion) all because someone had to audacity to question if Apple was going to continue to be on top in the future.

Guy's a little crazy.

I didn't say anything about Apple continuing to be on top. They were compared to RIM (BlackBerry), after finishing in second place in one quarter in the last x number of years, and I pointed out how ######ed that sounded. I also didn't call anyone an ass. I said he was trying to have a conversation while his head was inside his ass. Big difference. Being an ass would actually be more defendable.

You fandroids are certainly entertaining though. I'll give you that.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

You fandroids are certainly entertaining though. I'll give you that.

You keep throwing this term around hoping it sticks, but it doesn't. The only fanboy side of this I see is iFans and I'm not saying every iPhone user is an Apple fanboy but there are some, like yourself. I will go along with whoever is making the best phone that suits my need at the time. My last three phones have been, in order, Blackberry, iPhone, Android. My 4th in that succession will be an Android but if I'm looking to upgrade in 1-2 years time I'll look again what my needs are and where it fits. I'm personally excited to see what BB10 offers, if it ever actually arrives, as I've said in the Blackberry thread and I really like the Nokia Windows 8 phone I played with. I don't defend Google/Android whenever there is a slight against, in fact I've joined in on the slighting.

You take issue with whenever someone even looks at Apple wrong, that's what being a fanboy is all about, that's all you. You want to lump guys in the fandroid thing, well go ahead I guess. But I have little doubt when I see users like Bertuzzied, hemi, myself etc that they will move onto other platforms and devices as they see fit. Don't confuse using a device with being a fanboy. If I was a fanboy I would have started an entire thread about a new adapter.

I guess when you're stuck in the Apple ecosystem you have to do everything to justify that.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

No it wasn't. That's just something you people like to tell yourselves while you're standing around with each others' junk in your hands. I wasn't part of any conversation that led to whoever it was making this thread.

No it was because of your pathetic drivel for apple products the past 7 years on here.

You ARE the reason why this thread exists. I think there is an app for insecurity... hhehe

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

You fandroids are certainly entertaining though. I'll give you that.

i have zero brand loyalty, i purchase whatever device fits my needs at the current time. what i do have is a slight dislike for Apple because of their bully business tactics and some very annoying fans. that is still slight though, i own an iPod classic because that's still the only device around that can hold my entire music collection. i also like stuff like Apple TV and their cloud syncing services, however i don't plan on buying into any of it because i don't want to be locked into their restrictive ecosystem

and the similarities between RIM and Apple in the are there, despite your strenuous objections. Apple is in second place now, with more marketshare disappearing every month. the two factors that will determine if they will share RIM's fate in the mobile market are if Windows Phone 8 will take off, and if they can make a truly great device again with the next iPhone

and note i stress the mobile market. Apple will never fall as hard or fast as RIM because they have so much else to bank on besides the iPhone. but don't fool yourself in believing that they won't be in trouble if they don't start stepping up their game

[Azure]

I also own an iPod Classic. Holds all my music. Works great.

Except now with Google Music, suddenly I have no need for it. Hell, even adding music to my account is way easier than adding it to iTunes. And as an added benefit I don't have to deal with the crappiest program ever designed for a PC.

How's that for some fanboyism?