03-30-2011, 10:41 AM
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#601
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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The more election coverage I see, the more irritated I get that we're having another election to begin with.
How the hell is the government supposed to actually be at all productive, when so much time and tax dollars go towards campaigning instead of any decision making / projects.
Suppose I shouldn't be surprised... politics/etc in general have a way of irking me.
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03-30-2011, 10:41 AM
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#602
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My money is on this being the lowest voter turn-out in history!
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03-30-2011, 10:42 AM
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#603
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Originally Posted by Cscutch
And it isn't a $1000 grant as they are cancelling two existing program's. I think on CBC last night they worked it out to about $450 more.
Chris
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Plus there is no cap on what income groups qualify... so upper class guys would qualify for this too.. which really is a waste of money.
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03-30-2011, 10:44 AM
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#604
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Originally Posted by Cscutch
And it isn't a $1000 grant as they are cancelling two existing program's. I think on CBC last night they worked it out to about $450 more.
Chris
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Still, it is better than a promise for something 5 years down the road... what were they thinking?
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03-30-2011, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Hesla
Plus there is no cap on what income groups qualify... so upper class guys would qualify for this too.. which really is a waste of money.
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What is wrong with that? Upper class guys get scholarships don't they? Plus i'm willing to bet they pay, or their parents pay a lot more taxes than the lower income group.
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03-30-2011, 10:47 AM
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#606
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by North East Goon
My money is on this being the lowest voter turn-out in history!
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Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
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03-30-2011, 10:50 AM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Behind keyboard and mouse.
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Originally Posted by Cscutch
I don't think any off the parties have done anything of note, so far.
On the coalition, I am assuming the average Canadian, really dosen't care what Harper said back in the late 90's and early 2000's. But care more about the posibility of Lib/NDP/Bloc because they tried before, only a few years ago, and for most part the same players.
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I don't think Canadian's really buy the coalition statements by Harper and team, and they should focus on the real issues instead.
I am one of the belief that the Conservatives will not even get a minority government this time around, I think a minority Liberal government is what we'll see.
One of the big reasons why Harper got in was due in large to the GST tax cut, in my opinion that was a really bad tax cut, because it focuses on after-tax dollars, and you have to spend in order to save. And this time around they don't have a similar mass appealing platform to such as the GST cut to pump.
As a matter of fact, the conservatives had two great ideas in their previous platforms 1. don't touch the Income Trusts and 2. eliminate Capital Gains.
But neither one materialized and actually the Income Trust fiasco cost Canadians billions of lost dollars when they went back on their word.
To sum up, I think this will be a Youth's election and will vote for who appeals the most to them. Older Canadians tend to vote on a regular basis and tend to vote Conservative, so essentially you know the results there, so the critical point is gaining the new and young vote.
Just my thoughts.
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03-30-2011, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied
What is wrong with that? Upper class guys get scholarships don't they? Plus i'm willing to bet they pay, or their parents pay a lot more taxes than the lower income group.
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Scholarships you have to apply for and meet the criteria. So it is completely different.
Tie it to academic performance or cap it at a certain income level. Instead of just giving everyone $450 with college aged kids.
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03-30-2011, 10:54 AM
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#609
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If the Liberals want to gain popularity in Alberta, wouldnt it be a good idea to have someone riding in each quadrant?
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03-30-2011, 10:58 AM
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#611
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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied
Still, it is better than a promise for something 5 years down the road... what were they thinking?
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I think long term plans are good things... And also it is not the first time that a candidate has promised things in the future.
Also this grant doesn’t help me if I want to become a plumber, electrician. Or maybe I want to change careers as the one I am working in I don’t see a future in. At least in the old system people got less but more people qualified.
Chris
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03-30-2011, 11:04 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Devil's Rule
I don't think Canadian's really buy the coalition statements by Harper and team, and they should focus on the real issues instead.
I am one of the belief that the Conservatives will not even get a minority government this time around, I think a minority Liberal government is what we'll see.
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My thoughts Canadian's (with the exception of Quebec) do believe the "coalition" statements... this subject will be a big focus in the election.
The liberals will lose seats this time around and Iggy will be gone as the party leader.
Convservatives will not obtain a majority.... will end up pretty much the same.
NDP seats will increase.
Bloc will increase slightly
Liberals decrease.
Conversatives around the same.
Election is ulitimately a huge waste of time and money.
I agree the voter turn out will be very low....
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03-30-2011, 11:05 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hesla
Scholarships you have to apply for and meet the criteria. So it is completely different.
Tie it to academic performance or cap it at a certain income level. Instead of just giving everyone $450 with college aged kids.
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Do they do that with RESPs? The AB govt gives $1500 to kids for their education no matter what their income level is.
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03-30-2011, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Devil's Rule
I don't think Canadian's really buy the coalition statements by Harper and team, and they should focus on the real issues instead.
I am one of the belief that the Conservatives will not even get a minority government this time around, I think a minority Liberal government is what we'll see.
One of the big reasons why Harper got in was due in large to the GST tax cut, in my opinion that was a really bad tax cut, because it focuses on after-tax dollars, and you have to spend in order to save. And this time around they don't have a similar mass appealing platform to such as the GST cut to pump.
As a matter of fact, the conservatives had two great ideas in their previous platforms 1. don't touch the Income Trusts and 2. eliminate Capital Gains.
But neither one materialized and actually the Income Trust fiasco cost Canadians billions of lost dollars when they went back on their word.
To sum up, I think this will be a Youth's election and will vote for who appeals the most to them. Older Canadians tend to vote on a regular basis and tend to vote Conservative, so essentially you know the results there, so the critical point is gaining the new and young vote.
Just my thoughts.
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I do agree... All parties should move to issues, it is actually what people care about.
Personally as it stands right now I will most likely vote for the cons, I believe that they represent what I want the closest but still not what I want.
I personally want smaller government... I also believe that government spending is backwards, civic and provincial governments should get more money and more freedom on how to spend it.
Chris
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03-30-2011, 11:14 AM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Parallex
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I don't mind the CPP top up, but it doesn't really interest me personally because I can find better ways to invest my dollars towards my retirement.
I like the Tory platform in terms of enabling businesses to re-invest in their own technology or structures which would hopefully make them more efficient in the long run.
Jack is going to cut taxes to small business while increasing taxes by 3.5% from the looks of it to the larger Canadian Employers. Then he's going to turn around and give $4500.00 grants to companies that hire people, which won't help companies off set the 3.5% increase in corporate taxation. It all seems pretty goofy and overly complex to me.
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03-30-2011, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied
Do they do that with RESPs? The AB govt gives $1500 to kids for their education no matter what their income level is.
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Education is a provincial responsibility anyways...
I guess my big issue with it is that to give everyone $450 for education they would be cancelling Corporate tax decreases. I think to help insure better economic recovery we should not be increasing Corporate tax so that everyone gets $450. The increase in corporate tax may in fact give everyone less money to put towards education.
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03-30-2011, 11:21 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cscutch
I think long term plans are good things... And also it is not the first time that a candidate has promised things in the future.
Also this grant doesn’t help me if I want to become a plumber, electrician. Or maybe I want to change careers as the one I am working in I don’t see a future in. At least in the old system people got less but more people qualified.
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You know that there will be another election in 5 years. So they are promising things for the next election? whats the point??
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03-30-2011, 11:27 AM
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#618
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Originally Posted by SebC
Whilst I appreciate the civil discussion and that your question is genuine, I can't really answer it. I don't know what the inner strategic leadership of the party is thinking.
What I will say though is that this may be the best time for an election for the Liberals within the next two years (the time frame in which an election must be called). Yes, the more they distance themselves from the sponsorship scandal and the Dion coalition, the better. But at the same time, allowing the comtempt of parliament stuff to fade into obscurity would be doing a huge favor to the Conservatives. Let's also not forget that 2008 was also when Flaherty said that Canada would avoid a recession and thus no stimulus was necessary. As the economy improves, Canadians are more likely to forgive that.
Let me flip your question for you. If the Liberals were to wait longer, do you see their prospects improving, staying the same, or getting worse? That's really what decides whether or not the election makes sense for them, not whether or not they can beat the Conservatives outright.
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I don't think letting the contempt of parliament stuff go by the way side is that bad, because it really looks like a bit of a one-sided teaming up on Harper by the opposition. I'm biased of course, but I just don't see the contempt "issues" as a big deal and I don't think it will gain any traction. At very least, they'll be easily refutable or comparable to issues with past governments from all parties.
Personally, I think the Liberals standing goes up over the next couple years, or at least not down. Use the media to chip away at the negative things Harper's doing, demonstrate your ability to function as a strong capable opposition, rebuild your war chest, and find a new leader to galvanize Canadians for what they'll view as a legit necessary election after 5 years of Harper. Ignatief is not leading the Liberals anywhere. You know it, I know it, and the Liberal party knows it. It really just makes no sense for them to be heading to the polls now.
Last edited by Frequitude; 03-30-2011 at 11:39 AM.
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03-30-2011, 11:30 AM
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#619
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Parallex
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Lowering taxes on small businesses is a great idea, but then everything it would accomplish is blown to smithereens when he then says he will raise it on big business. Dumb dumb dumb. Just cannt understand that line of thinking particularly as we move into a much more global economy.
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03-30-2011, 11:33 AM
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#620
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Devil's Rule
I am one of the belief that the Conservatives will not even get a minority government this time around, I think a minority Liberal government is what we'll see.
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I would like a piece of that action!
Honestly though, as long as Ignatieff is the face of the Libs, that will never happen.
Justin Trudeau....your up next!
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