[PGT] Fire Ward and trade Bennett

[TheSquatch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn_d647mKkY

3:12 is where the play starts.

For a judgment on Sam's speed here, Neal starts the play behind him, and ends up ten feet in front of him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Lol. Piles of dog ####

Great counterpoint

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Great counterpoint

Thanks

It was a reference to an earlier post, talking about when you see a pile of dog ####, and electing to step in it or walk around

Sometimes you don’t feel like cleaning you shoes

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So if i am understanding (have not and will not wade through pages of mindless viotrol above) Bennett screwed the pooch yet again, coaching staff responds by sending a message in order to hopefully rectify such play moving forward.... and we blame the coach?

Is that where we are now?

Where did you see this since your not wadding through pages of mindless viotol? Bennett was not the only one who made a mistake last night. He was benched when we already short an injured Monahan and we needed a win. As Eric pointed out it seemed more about sending a message than getting a win.

Sorry to disappoint you but this is not about a bunch of Bennett defenders, most acknowledge he made a mistake.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So if i am understanding (have not and will not wade through pages of mindless viotrol above) Bennett screwed the pooch yet again, coaching staff responds by sending a message in order to hopefully rectify such play moving forward.... and we blame the coach?

Is that where we are now?

There are numerous other reasons to be unhappy with the coach.

[MikeMc]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Benching Bennett with Monahan injured was inexcusable last night and remains so today.

If a player is lazy and he's not doing his job AND it's been a constant issue AND he's asked for a trade....bench him all day...don't even dress him moving forward. Monahan injury doesn't impact that decision.

Good riddance.

There is some coaching question marks for sure but at some point it's on the guys on the ice.

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[ComixZone]

I still don't see it on that shift.

Bennett charges up the ice, gaining the offensive zone, gives it to Dube who gives it to Tkachuk who promptly throws the puck away with a brutal pass to Dube. Tkachuk then effectively walks off the ice with a brutal effort on the line change while he watches the attack go the other way.

The small 2 on 1 with Chiasson/Neal is played rather poorly by Valimaki, who effectively takes himself out of the play. Following that, Hanifin slides back into his own goalie jamming Rittich up. With Valimaki being somewhat aggressive (and failing) in how he handled Chiasson/Neal, it's on Hanifin to slide over and shut down the short side attack - instead he slides into the goalie, taking himself out of the play. At the same time that Hanifin is laying in the crease, Bennett is back-filling what should have been the area that Hanifin vacated to shutdown the short side attack. What did Valimaki do after he got beat badly? He cycles back correctly, and is in position to defend the cluster !@#$, but doesn't play it physically at all and instead reaches for a stick lift.

The fact that Bennett got benched, when he tracked back correctly while Valimaki and Hanifin then blew their plays is baffling. Not to mention Tkachuk walking off the ice. Yeah, Bennett could have read it better and attacked the short side when he saw Hanifin doing whatever the hell he was doing, but when two other players blow it we then blame Bennett for not reading and adapting perfectly to cover up BOTH of the other mistakes made?

The whole play was a disaster, just like this team. You see why they say it's in the details - 5 of the 7 players involved completely screwed the pooch (Rittich, Bennett, Valimaki, Hanifin, Tkachuk - only Dube and I believe Lucic, who replaced Tkachuk, are blame free)

1 - Tkachuk's brutal pass to Dube leading to the giveaway, followed up by Tkachuk lazily walking off the ice.
2 - Bennett slows up a bit once he realizes he's tracked back effectively and will end up in more or less the right position. There's no need to slow up. Burn it all the way down.
3 - Valimaki's poor reading of the play that gave up the zone while the opposition came in with speed, taking himself out of the play
4 - Hanifin is utterly confused and does exactly the wrong thing (...don't slide into your own goalie)
5 - Valimaki's weak recovery attempt
6 - Hanifin remains on the ice doing nothing
7 - Bennett is standing still somewhat in position, but effectively does nothing
8 - Rittich's post play was poor (and yes, he otherwise had a good night)

The goal against started with Tkachuk being 2021 Tkachuk, and ended with failures from Rittich, Valimaki, Bennett and Hanifin.

When you have so many players failing to perform - it's a systemic issue. It's a coaching issue, a leadership issue, a management issue, and it's a culture of losing.

[CsInMyBlood]

Just another controller disconnect moment for Sam. His hockey IQ is horrible. Lazy. You'd think while he coasts back from center he could have read the play developing. Nope. How many times does he just end up on top of another one of our players. He always does this in the offensive zone too.

6 minutes of play, 2 goals against, a malcontent who wants off the team.

Bench indeed.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Lol

There is some kind of bizarre butterfly effect thing where for some of these nut cases, ultimately everything that goes wrong for the Flames is traced back to, and being ultimately the responsibility of Bennett

[868904]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Lol

There is some kind of bizarre butterfly effect thing where for some of these nut cases, ultimately everything that goes wrong for the Flames is traced back to, and being ultimately the responsibility of Bennett

Sam Bennett takes a dump right before puck drop every game and stinks up the locker room and that's why the team continually comes out to bad first periods.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I knew it!

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by 868904

Sam Bennett takes a dump right before puck drop every game and stinks up the locker room and that's why the team continually comes out to bad first periods.

That team didn't look like it was playing for Ward, I think we have bigger issues than Bennett taking a dump!

[AustinL_NHL]

Sam Bennett in 6:30 of ice time 5v5 last night:

- 4 shots (1st)
- 0.29 ixGF (1st)
- 4 scoring chances (2nd behind Andersson)
- 1 high danger chance (2nd behind Andersson)

He led all Flames forwards offensively last night, but because of one mental lapse, he gets benched despite the Flames already not having Monahan, which also sees a big ice time increase in Ward's favorite plug, Froese. Still an absolute joke that he was put out their with Gaudreau on the 4-on-4.

In the last few games, it's been:

Bennett plays well with Johnny + Mony = getting moved down the lineup

Bennett plays fantastic back in the middle with Lucic + Dube = getting moved down to the 4th line

Bennett makes one mental lapse in a game where he led Flames forwards offensively on a night where the Flames were without Monahan and mustered 21 shots against a team that allows 32.5 a game = getting benched for the remainder of the game.

Like seriously, Bennett can't win. Geoff Ward is in way over his empty head.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Sam Bennett in 6:30 of ice time 5v5 last night:

- 4 shots (1st)
- 0.29 ixGF (1st)
- 4 scoring chances (2nd behind Andersson)
- 1 high danger chance (2nd behind Andersson)

He led all Flames forwards offensively last night, but because of one mental lapse, he gets benched despite the Flames already not having Monahan, which also sees a big ice time increase in Ward's favorite plug, Froese. Still an absolute joke that he was put out their with Gaudreau on the 4-on-4.

In the last few games, it's been:

Bennett plays well with Johnny + Mony = getting moved down the lineup

Bennett plays fantastic back in the middle with Lucic + Dube = getting moved down to the 4th line

Bennett makes one mental lapse in a game where he led Flames forwards offensively on a night where the Flames were without Monahan and mustered 21 shots against a team that allows 32.5 a game = getting benched for the remainder of the game.

Like seriously, Bennett can't win. Geoff Ward is in way over his empty head.

It's a coach being petty and unprofessional. It goes back to when Bennett read his name on the list of players skating with Taxi squad while being scratched and not being talked to.

Bennett took a sideshot at the team for "playing games" when that happened, and it's playing out exactly that way. Geoff Ward is being petty and his moronic line up management is hurting this team (that's not exclusively directed at just how he handles Bennett).

Geoff Ward is an absolute disaster of a hire, and I hope the media continues to absolutely pile on this team because they deserve it right now. The management of this team deserves to be absolutely slammed right now.

[CroCop]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Sam Bennett in 6:30 of ice time 5v5 last night:

- 4 shots (1st)
- 0.29 ixGF (1st)
- 4 scoring chances (2nd behind Andersson)
- 1 high danger chance (2nd behind Andersson)

He led all Flames forwards offensively last night, but because of one mental lapse, he gets benched despite the Flames already not having Monahan, which also sees a big ice time increase in Ward's favorite plug, Froese. Still an absolute joke that he was put out their with Gaudreau on the 4-on-4.

In the last few games, it's been:

Bennett plays well with Johnny + Mony = getting moved down the lineup

Bennett plays fantastic back in the middle with Lucic + Dube = getting moved down to the 4th line

Bennett makes one mental lapse in a game where he led Flames forwards offensively on a night where the Flames were without Monahan and mustered 21 shots against a team that allows 32.5 a game = getting benched for the remainder of the game.

Like seriously, Bennett can't win. Geoff Ward is in way over his empty head.

You are right Sam will never win here. When a coach doesn’t like you, you are simply f*****!
No matter how good you do your only your next mistake from being back in the doghouse. Worst is watching other guys get free pass for same crap. Sam knows this and imagine what it’s like to play with that on your mind.

Our highest pick in history and the Flames failed to develop him. Time to move him on and all the best to him.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by CroCop

You are right Sam will never win here. When a coach doesn’t like you, you are simply f*****!
No matter how good you do your only your next mistake from being back in the doghouse. Worst is watching other guys get free pass for same crap. Sam knows this and imagine what it’s like to play with that on your mind.

Our highest pick in history and the Flames failed to develop him. Time to move him on and all the best to him.

To be fair, I actually think Ward likes Bennett. Ward said that recently Sam had been playing well, just not on that play. I think he is just trying to get Bennett to play a certain way. Bennett does need direction, he needs help to get where he needs to be as a player. Ward is not ignoring Sam, or just leaving him on the 3 or 4th line he is actually trying to work with him. Ward benched him because he expects more from Sam and probably because he cares about the player.

I don't think Ward is a good motivator and is choosing the worst time to send a message when we needed the win last night. He needs to gain the trust of his players and by not putting them out there over 4th liners he is not doing a very good job of that. The players have to believe in the coach, the system and in each other. Last night I watched the players play with structure in their own end then when they gained entry into Edmonton's zone take half hearted, half accurate shots. I think they are being asked to play a perfect game with little room for creativity.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by TheSquatch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn_d647mKkY

3:12 is where the play starts.

For a judgment on Sam's speed here, Neal starts the play behind him, and ends up ten feet in front of him.

Bennet's starting from stand still in front of EDM net. Neal has at least some momentum as he starts from just behind the goal line...

Bennett gets where he should be when he needs to get there, but he doesn't do much and gets caught watching the puck just like the other 3 Flames still on their skates.

Comixzone's breakdown is good. The one thing is Lucic may not be 100% blameless...he is coming off the bench and stops skating by the red line. A few more strides and he could probably get close enough to Haas that Hanifin isn't so desperate.

Lucic's steps on the ice while Tkachuk is still in the faceoff circle...Tkachuk was gassed after a long shift, but another half second could have put Lucic closer to Haas, too.

IMO Vali screwed up the most (understandable), Rittich/Hani/Bennett were all less than ideal.

[CsInMyBlood]

I guess I have to start recording and posting his shifts where he skates around w the puck till he gives it up, or loses a puck battle or bobbles the puck or fires a pass nowhere or behind a player or into his skates or ends up skating into one of his teammates while the puck goes up the ice. Hes also always falling to the ice. One or two of these things happens almost every shift he plays.

Yet the Bennettons on this board act like he plays soooo well every game and gets the shaft for some unknown reason.

Some just choose not to see it. I assume they must own Bennett jerseys and put the blinders on.

Leads the team w a -6. Has 3 points. Had 12 points last season. Doesn't want to be on the team.

F Sam Bennett and his entitled attitude. Who the hell wants a player like this on his team? Who would want a player like this as their linemate?

Nobody that's who.

Get this guy out of our dressing room and off of the team ASAP.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Bennet's starting from stand still in front of EDM net. Neal has at least some momentum as he starts from just behind the goal line...

Bennett gets where he should be when he needs to get there, but he doesn't do much and gets caught watching the puck just like the other 3 Flames still on their skates.

Comixzone's breakdown is good. The one thing is Lucic may not be 100% blameless...he is coming off the bench and stops skating by the red line. A few more strides and he could probably get close enough to Haas that Hanifin isn't so desperate.

Lucic's steps on the ice while Tkachuk is still in the faceoff circle...Tkachuk was gassed after a long shift, but another half second could have put Lucic closer to Haas, too.

IMO Vali screwed up the most (understandable), Rittich/Hani/Bennett were all less than ideal.

Sam is centring the line and his winger is Lucic, and as the puck crosses centre ice it’s 4 on 2... and he’s just gliding. I say this as a Bennett booster, that was a disheartening effort. Our beer league centres back check harder.

Either way the entire team needs to smarten up.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So if i am understanding (have not and will not wade through pages of mindless viotrol above) Bennett screwed the pooch yet again, coaching staff responds by sending a message in order to hopefully rectify such play moving forward.... and we blame the coach?

Is that where we are now?

No. You are off base, as usual.