2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

My concern is the Flames have a typical bounce back year after a down year. This team fails to meet expectations in a given year then expectations are reset and they exceed those to return the next year and underwhelm.

This is a team with 6 guys playing for new deals in a year where teams are expecting a cap jump next year. This team also has 3-4 key signed players who failed to live up to their expectations last year and are hungry to bounce back. With better vibes around the team I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see them play to the potential people were giving them before last year started.

Flames are in 1st or 2nd place at the deadline what will they do?

The Flames being in 1st or 2nd, gives the players incentive to stay. If a contract can't be agreed to a week before the deadline they become more valuable trading chips, and Conroy will be negotiating from a position of strength. I believe the Flames will choose the trade route in that scenario.

Also if we're in 1st or 2nd, it's likely on the backs of Huberdeau, Markstrom, and Kadri. That makes the Flames future a lot brighter looking in my eyes. It gives the Flames options by either trading them or building around them.

A much more awkward scenario for me is seeing the Flames in the 1st wildcard slot closer to the trade deadline.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I am guessing it means mediocrity. Never being a true Stanley Cup contender but being a participant in the league and being good enough to lose in the first round, second round during very successful years. Missing the playoffs about half the time but making the playoffs half the time. Basically the Flames Way.

Yeah, I get that.

I find it to be a pretty lazy and tired take though. Conroy’s term has just begun.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The Flames being in 1st or 2nd, gives the players incentive to stay. If a contract can't be agreed to a week before the deadline they become more valuable trading chips, and Conroy will be negotiating from a position of strength. I believe the Flames will choose the trade route in that scenario.

Also if we're in 1st or 2nd, it's likely on the backs of Huberdeau, Markstrom, and Kadri. That makes the Flames future a lot brighter looking in my eyes. It gives the Flames options by either trading them or building around them.

A much more awkward scenario for me is seeing the Flames in the 1st wildcard slot closer to the trade deadline.

If flames are in 1st or 2nd by trade deadline and none of the ufa’s have re-signed, I put the odds of trading lindholm and Hanifin at 50-50. As for Backlund, Zad, and Tanev at deadline under said scenario, I put odds of being traded at 1 percent. The only reason they would entertain trading Hanifin or lindholm at deadline is because the return would be far greater than the other players . The mandate of making playoffs is not changing. They aren’t going to trade Tanev for a 1st round pick just to go out and spend that 1st round pick,at same deadline ,on a replacement rental for him .

That said I have no doubt if flames are in 1st come deadline that lindholm will have already re-signed with flames. Hanifin would be the only player I could see trading at deadline on the scenario listed above.

[Redrum]

Edit: NVM, don't matter.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Yeah, I get that.

I find it to be a pretty lazy and tired take though. Conroy’s term has just begun.

That may be true (that it is a tired take). But re-signing our old guys and not committing to a path where you can get a bunch of talented players within 24 months of each other in their mid 20’s will set us on a path for continue mediocrity. Time will tell which path Conroy takes.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Yeah, I get that.

I find it to be a pretty lazy and tired take though. Conroy’s term has just begun.

If you believe that its the owners dictating the course, then it doesn't really matter who the GM is as far as plan is concerned.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Well, basically any deal for Lindholm or Hanifin will see us taking something close to equal cap space back, that's just how NHL trades have to work now a days, it wouldn't be unique to a Minnesota deal.

Not necessarily. LWOS just put out an article that alleges that two teams with plenty of cap space- Buffalo and Nashville-are in the Hanifin sweepstakes. Detroit and Columbus are another 2 teams that have been in rumours, and also have cap space. An established roster player could come back in trade, but not necessarily somebody with an equal cap hit. Wasn't there speculation that the return from CBJ would be something around Sillinger/Chibrikov/pick?

Plus, there have been plenty of trades in the last few months that didn't have nearly the same money coming in as going out- it just depends on the situation. In Minnesota's case, I can't see them wanting to trade us the contract of anybody good, it would be more of a salary dump situation- that was more the point I was making. They aren't trading us Boldy or Eriksson-Ek.

[1qqaaz]

I thought the only reason Nashville has cap space is so that they can eventually take Forsberg off IR

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I thought the only reason Nashville has cap space is so that they can eventually take Forsberg off IR

I believe Forsberg was cleared to play in July, I’m pretty sure his cap hit is factored in. I could be wrong though.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That may be true (that it is a tired take). But re-signing our old guys and not committing to a path where you can get a bunch of talented players within 24 months of each other in their mid 20’s will set us on a path for continue mediocrity. Time will tell which path Conroy takes.

Conroy has said on a couple of occasions that he will make room for young players. I suspect he means more than this year alone. Just my assumption but I think we are going to see a prioritization of draft picks/prospects/young players more than we had seen over the past 5 years or so. That’s only my best guess and certainly could be wrong but it just seems to me that having a front office with a relatively young GM who is going to be leaning on a former teammate who has a pretty good handle on the next generation of western born hockey players leans towards a younger team.

Originally Posted by Ped

If you believe that its the owners dictating the course, then it doesn't really matter who the GM is as far as plan is concerned.

I’ve long suspected this was the case but circumstances change. Maybe there is credence to the thought that the Flames need to have an eye to building up to the opening of a new arena in 4-6 years.

The premise I disagree with that we see some posters push ad-nauseam is there’s only two paths for this team; mediocrity or rebuild. I think that’s a lazy take and I definitely don’t believe this ownership group will support an intentional down to the studs rebuild. I also think there are several ways to build a consistently competitive team that most of us want to see and the aforementioned tear it down to the studs (which is extremely unlikely for this team) is just one of them.

[MrMike]

At this point I’m over the blow it up and rebuild stage. Last year and the most recent draft was the time to do that, and that’s long gone. So might as well retool and hope a kid or two become a star out of nowhere. Long shots but who knows, Wolf could be the next Saros and Coronato the next Jason Robertson.

Just please be more entertaining than last year, that’s really all I ask for.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The Flames being in 1st or 2nd, gives the players incentive to stay. If a contract can't be agreed to a week before the deadline they become more valuable trading chips, and Conroy will be negotiating from a position of strength. I believe the Flames will choose the trade route in that scenario.

Also if we're in 1st or 2nd, it's likely on the backs of Huberdeau, Markstrom, and Kadri. That makes the Flames future a lot brighter looking in my eyes. It gives the Flames options by either trading them or building around them.

A much more awkward scenario for me is seeing the Flames in the 1st wildcard slot closer to the trade deadline.

Last scenario is the most likely.

[reddude]

I like to think Conroy has lots of irons in the fire and cap restrictions are slowing potential offers for Hanifan and I always thought it's going to be a prospect or roster player coming back just to move some dollars in dollars out.
Pittsburgh and Boston do not have assets but Minny and Buffalo,Columbus could be potential good trade partners having draft picks and some good prospects and to be honest Conroy will make the trade when he can get his price whether it's today or next week or at the deadline, I think we see a Lindholm signing before camp.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think it will be something like this:

Traded before the season: Hanifin
Re-signed: Lindholm/Kylington
Traded in the season/deadline: Backlund/Zadorov
Lost for nothing: Tanev

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think it will be something like this:

Traded before the season: Hanifin
Re-signed: Lindholm/Kylington
Traded in the season/deadline: Backlund/Zadorov
Lost for nothing: Tanev

Thats what I think too, with the exception of Zadorov. I kind of like him here as a 4/5.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think it will be something like this:

Traded before the season: Hanifin
Re-signed: Lindholm/Kylington
Traded in the season/deadline: Backlund/Zadorov
Lost for nothing: Tanev

Lots of moving parts.

It sounds like they want to extend Backlund and he wants to see how the season goes. If it goes well the Flames likely extend him. If we are well out he is certainly traded. If we are marginal it depends how he is playing and what our options are to replace him. My guess is he is extended.

I think the Flames want to keep Zadorov and he wants to stay. I think there is just too much uncertainty. What do the Flames get back for Hanafin? How much cap is left after the dust settles? Does Kylington return to form after a year away? How do the D prospects do? How does Zadorov play in a new system? My guess if they find a way to keep him after losing Hanafin and potentially Tanev, but who knows.

The other guy I would add to the list is Vladar. That depends largely on the play of all three goalies and the potential market for him. I think he is traded before or early into the regular season.

I agree on Kylington and Hanafin. I won't be shocked to see Tanev signed to a short extension, but your probably correct.

[Two Fivenagame]

Maybe we're all just waiting for some kind of clearly defined direction for this team.
Conroy has his coach and his pro scouts in place which is all fine and good, but I believe he needs to make that tenure defining move that propels the team light-years down whatever path they've chosen.

I also suspect these UFAs know what's in the locker room and are gently trying to move on to greener pastures without screwing over Conroy.

The franchise is really in an awkward position right now.

[Flames1217]

Really hope they address the giant hole at RW with the Hanifin deal.

Depth is horrible on the right side.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Really hope they address the giant hole at RW with the Hanifin deal.

Depth is horrible on the right side.

It depends on if you are a stickler for RS RW. Sharangovich is a LS who strives on playing RW with his elite wrist shot. Huby prefers his RW to be a LS. Mangiapane is a LS that also seems comfortable on RW. Coronato could very well grab a spot on the roster at RW. It would be fantastic to get an upgrade on RW like a Nylander but we will still be ok with the guys we have. I definitely wouldn't say it's a giant hole.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It depends on if you are a stickler for RS RW. Sharangovich is a LS who strives on playing RW with his elite wrist shot. Huby prefers his RW to be a LS. Mangiapane is a LS that also seems comfortable on RW. Coronato could very well grab a spot on the roster at RW. It would be fantastic to get an upgrade on RW like a Nylander but we will still be ok with the guys we have. I definitely wouldn't say it's a giant hole.

Coleman and Dube can play RW too. I think Sharangovich will be on the right side for sure.