2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Would you guys swap Dennis Wideman for Ryan Miller (One Year / $6M remaining)? It seems like a trade that makes sense for us as it gets money away from our bottom pair and into net, and with the Canucks likely losing Hamhuis and ready to go all-in on Markstrom, it might work for them too. Miller's not great but he does have a .916 this year so he's not horrible either. We're not taking on any extra term, so we can spend Miller's expiring (along with Smid, Engelland, Raymond) on a goalie in 2017. Plus it opens up cap space to bring back Hudler or an alternative (Eriksson / Okposo)

would need to send a goalie back as well as we would have too many.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Miller is a poor stop gap goalie who costs more than Wideman. Bad trade for the Flames IMO

He costs less than Wideman+Goalie. Let's say we bring back Ramo @ 4.0M. That's 9.25M being spent on a Goalie+Wideman. You trade for Miller, that's about 3.25M in extra cap space you've opened up. Add the ~2M you save buying out Raymond and we round out our top 6 forwards through free agency, something we won't be able to do right now.

[dino7c]

if that is the only way to get rid of Wideman yes

[Split98]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Would you guys swap Dennis Wideman for Ryan Miller (One Year / $6M remaining)? It seems like a trade that makes sense for us as it gets money away from our bottom pair and into net, and with the Canucks likely losing Hamhuis and ready to go all-in on Markstrom, it might work for them too. Miller's not great but he does have a .916 this year so he's not horrible either. We're not taking on any extra term, so we can spend Miller's expiring (along with Smid, Engelland, Raymond) on a goalie in 2017. Plus it opens up cap space to bring back Hudler or an alternative (Eriksson / Okposo)

I don't love it, but it does make sense. Kind of...

The problem I keep stumbling on is what we want to do with Ramo. He soured a lot of opinions on his start this year, but I'm perfectly fine with seeing what he will accept for next year.

Problem is, I don't see him signing for less than $3,000,000. That's an expensive backup, and I don't think we're in any position to let him walk and hope that we have something in Ortio and Gillies. I certainly don't see Miller as the answer. Our 2017-2018 situation looks pretty sketchy, and that's right when we'll be paying big money to Bennett on top of the Monahan and Gaudreau contracts getting paid next year.

The long-term effects of letting Ramo walk with Miller eating $6,000,000 could be a lot worse than the short-term of losing Russell (not really that bad...) and looking for a Wideman suitor next year.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Would you guys swap Dennis Wideman for Ryan Miller (One Year / $6M remaining)? It seems like a trade that makes sense for us as it gets money away from our bottom pair and into net, and with the Canucks likely losing Hamhuis and ready to go all-in on Markstrom, it might work for them too. Miller's not great but he does have a .916 this year so he's not horrible either. We're not taking on any extra term, so we can spend Miller's expiring (along with Smid, Engelland, Raymond) on a goalie in 2017. Plus it opens up cap space to bring back Hudler or an alternative (Eriksson / Okposo)

Miller has a no-trade clause and his wife put up quite a stink that he had to play on the west coast. I doubt he'd waive it to come to CGY, even for just a year. That notwithstanding, I'd do it. As much as he's overpaid, he's better than Ramo/Hiller and the cupboard is bare for quality UFA goalies this summer.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Would you guys swap Dennis Wideman for Ryan Miller (One Year / $6M remaining)?

Yes, although both have no trade clauses so I don't know if they'd both waive.

[SuperMatt18]

I actually wouldn't mind that - Miller isn't a great goalie anymore but as a 1 year stop gap it's a decent fit - especially if you can trade Wideman.

The real issue is that it's very likely that Calgary wouldn't be on the list of 5 teams he can accept a trade to.

With his actress wife I doubt Calgary is a top spot for them.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by handgroen

frolik, ferland, and bennett all play a physical game. IMO

I will concede Ferland. Frolik, I am not sure.

I have been watching a lot of Anaheim, LA, and SJ recently.

We need Dwight King, Jordan Nolan, Kyle Clifford, Brent Burns, etc...

David Backes and/or Andrew Ladd would be my main targets on July 1.

It has been almost 3 years for Burke, and almost 2 for Treliving.

There is very little evidence to suggest BB and BT actually believe in truculence, and heavy hockey.

I am getting frustrated with being a mediocre hockey team. 43 playoff wins in 27 years is not good enough.

/end rant.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's easier said than done to add size that can actually play in the new NHL.

It's kind of funny how it shifted - seems like every team has lots of small skilled tweener forwards that can play in their bottom 6 - but much harder to find guys with size who can actually skate well enough to play in your bottom 6.

Big guys that can actually skate and play a shift in the NHL are the hardest thing for a team to acquire, for both forwards and defenseman. Hard to get and in order to get them you will be drafting and developing them.

So you go out and get Mason Raymond and Devin Setoguchi?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

So you go out and get Mason Raymond and Devin Setoguchi?

they needed bodies at that time...we didn't even know if Jhonny could play in the NHL yet

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He costs less than Wideman+Goalie. Let's say we bring back Ramo @ 4.0M. That's 9.25M being spent on a Goalie+Wideman. You trade for Miller, that's about 3.25M in extra cap space you've opened up. Add the ~2M you save buying out Raymond and we round out our top 6 forwards through free agency, something we won't be able to do right now.

I hope we do not retain Ramo or Hiller. I also think Miller sucks and want the Flames to improve the position next season not spin their tires which I think this move does.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Miller has a no-trade clause and his wife put up quite a stink that he had to play on the west coast. I doubt he'd waive it to come to CGY, even for just a year. That notwithstanding, I'd do it. As much as he's overpaid, he's better than Ramo/Hiller and the cupboard is bare for quality UFA goalies this summer.

fair point. Just perusing the pending UFA 2017 Goalies, the only other guy that might make sense in a similar deal would be Bernier, and I think he's a bigger gamble and I highly dought Toronto's analytic-driven pro scouting has any interest in Wideman.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I will concede Ferland. Frolik, I am not sure.

I have been watching a lot of Anaheim, LA, and SJ recently.

We need Dwight King, Jordan Nolan, Kyle Clifford, Brent Burns, etc...

David Backes and/or Andrew Ladd would be my main targets on July 1.

It has been almost 3 years for Burke, and almost 2 for Treliving.

There is very little evidence to suggest BB and BT actually believe in truculence, and heavy hockey.

I am getting frustrated with being a mediocre hockey team. 43 playoff wins in 27 years is not good enough.

/end rant.

So you want our top 2 targets to be 32 year olds that want 5+year deals at top line money? Lucic is at least in his late 20's and is mean so rather go after him if we were dead set on adding truculence.

It is hard to get players with size that can also play with skill. I think that is why Ferland is overrated by the management. We need guys that finish their checks and are tough to play against. Glad that Sam Bennett is who we got with our pick in 2014. He plays the style this management envisions for the team IMO.

[the_only_turek_fan]

If it costs us Emile Porier or Morgan Klumchuk to get a guy like Clifford or Nolan I would consider it.

Jooris is another guy I would move.

This is no slight against any of these players. They are good players, and good humans, but BB and BT have been saying one thing and doing another.

Re-signing Stajan - Great person! Great leader. Way too small and weak.
Re-signing Russell - Smallish player again.
Signing Bollig - Is not as fiesty as I thought he would be.
Signing Raymond - He gets beat up enough on this board.
Trading for Hamilton - Good!
Re-signing Brodie - Small, but his skill is elite.
Signing Engelland - Good signing.
Re-signing Jooris - Not big enough.
Signing Frolik - Good player, not big and physical.
Resigning Backlund - OK player, not physical at all.

The irony here is that one of the guys that does play a semi physical game (David Jones) is on his way out.

Please Brad, get David Backes. Please.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So you want our top 2 targets to be 32 year olds that want 5+year deals at top line money? Lucic is at least in his late 20's and is mean so rather go after him if we were dead set on adding truculence.

It is hard to get players with size that can also play with skill. I think that is why Ferland is overrated by the management. We need guys that finish their checks and are tough to play against. Glad that Sam Bennett is who we got with our pick in 2014. He plays the style this management envisions for the team IMO.

Ladd is 30. A 5 year deal would take him to 35.

I am all in for signing Milan Lucic, but it appears he is staying in LA.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

If it costs us Emile Porier or Morgan Klumchuk to get a guy like Clifford or Nolan I would consider it.

Jooris is another guy I would move.

This is no slight against any of these players. They are good players, and good humans, but BB and BT have been saying one thing and doing another.

Re-signing Stajan - Great person! Great leader. Way too small and weak.
Re-signing Russell - Smallish player again.
Signing Bollig - Is not as fiesty as I thought he would be.
Signing Raymond - He gets beat up enough on this board.
Trading for Hamilton - Good!
Re-signing Brodie - Small, but his skill is elite.
Signing Engelland - Good signing.
Re-signing Jooris - Not big enough.
Signing Frolik - Good player, not big and physical.
Resigning Backlund - OK player, not physical at all.

The irony here is that one of the guys that does play a semi physical game (David Jones) is on his way out.

Please Brad, get David Backes. Please.

I have no words

[PepsiFree]

I'm not sure why people pop up that think you just copy L.A.'s model and you're in the show.

L.A. Is a top team because they have all-star goaltending, two of the very best players in the NHL, and are excellently coached.

Putting King, Nolan, and Clifford on the Flames doesn't make us a contender. The Flames already have Ferland and Bouma, Backes might be a good addition, Ladd would be terrible.

You want the bottom six to be steady and responsible. It really doesn't matter if they are physical or not.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

If it costs us Emile Porier or Morgan Klumchuk to get a guy like Clifford or Nolan I would consider it.

Jooris is another guy I would move.

This is no slight against any of these players. They are good players, and good humans, but BB and BT have been saying one thing and doing another.

Re-signing Stajan - Great person! Great leader. Way too small and weak.
Re-signing Russell - Smallish player again.
Signing Bollig - Is not as fiesty as I thought he would be.
Signing Raymond - He gets beat up enough on this board.
Trading for Hamilton - Good!
Re-signing Brodie - Small, but his skill is elite.
Signing Engelland - Good signing.
Re-signing Jooris - Not big enough.
Signing Frolik - Good player, not big and physical.
Resigning Backlund - OK player, not physical at all.

The irony here is that one of the guys that does play a semi physical game (David Jones) is on his way out.

Please Brad, get David Backes. Please.

Okay but if you don't re-sign those guys - who was available via trade or free agency that was a big physical player.

Joel Ward I guess is one but he was a little older, Brouwer was moved in a trade but that cost TJ Oshie.

Nobody is getting rid of good physical forwards that actually are valuable to a team.

David Backes is going to be 32 years old - do you want to give him a 4 or 5 year contract at around $6 million, I wouldn't want to do that.

Much rather have Kyle Okposo or a younger forward if we are going to have to overpay.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Demetric

I have no words

I wish I had about five more accounts to thank this post with.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

If it costs us Emile Porier or Morgan Klumchuk to get a guy like Clifford or Nolan I would consider it.

Jooris is another guy I would move.

This is no slight against any of these players. They are good players, and good humans, but BB and BT have been saying one thing and doing another.

Re-signing Stajan - Great person! Great leader. Way too small and weak.
Re-signing Russell - Smallish player again.
Signing Bollig - Is not as fiesty as I thought he would be.
Signing Raymond - He gets beat up enough on this board.
Trading for Hamilton - Good!
Re-signing Brodie - Small, but his skill is elite.
Signing Engelland - Good signing.
Re-signing Jooris - Not big enough.
Signing Frolik - Good player, not big and physical.
Resigning Backlund - OK player, not physical at all.

The irony here is that one of the guys that does play a semi physical game (David Jones) is on his way out.

Please Brad, get David Backes. Please.

We should trade Johnny Gaudreau for John Scott while we're at it.