Brad Treliving needs to go

[Dan403]

This thread hasn't aged well.

[djsFlames]

Still maintain that Brad wasted a few potentially good years with this core because of his coaching experiments.

But at least he finally figured it out and stopped ####ing around with rookie bench bosses.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If a GM builds a division winner that is able to play consistent, high level hockey in both ends of the ice, out of a mix of high talent guys, role players, and a healthy dose of former cup winners who have been there before… how much fault do you think is his if they go out in the first round?



Given the number of things out of any GMs control, this might be as good as this team can be built. How could the next couple months seriously sway that evaluation to anyone taking a reasonable look at this team and Treliving’s performance?

If the Flames falter in the playoffs again wouldn't the evaluation then be that the gm can build a good regular season team that is not a good post season team? The game does change between the two and this year is going to show whether the team he assembled is a playoff team. They have the coach, the goalie. There are no more excuses.

You can't be saying that regular season success is because of the gm but playoff failure is not.

I do think he's built a good team with a good coach finally. In my mind that gives him some credit. But credit is fleeting and playoff results are what matter.

[Northendzone]

To me here is the conundrum of evaluating the GM.

The flames have had a terrific regular season and won the majority of their games.

If they falter in the playoffs, then isn't that mostly on the players as they have shown thru 82 games they are a good team due in part to the players and coaches that Tre has signed?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's all fine and good.

I'm pointing directly at the camp that has all the success on Sutter, even the player acquisitions, the GM is just along for the ride.

If that's your stance then winning a division title with a different coach within a four year time window gets kind of harder to explain.

I agree with what you're saying. You have to look at performance longitudinally. That is how he's going to weighed. Having a spectacular year right now is a very small measure. There's more there. He gets credit for putting this team together. I will say that some of the moves were no brainers to me - Toffoli and Jarnkrok were both identified as prototypical Flames for a few years now - but he has to get credit for putting the deals together that brought them here. The impact and value of those deals will also need to be looked at and determine if they were worth the squeeze (I believe they were). That's where the post-season eval will come in as the team and owners look at the five-year plan and look at the impact there. A lot of moving parts in an executive evaluation. Having a good season on the ice is a small part of what Tre will be evaluated on. Succes helps, but we look past the larger organizational health issues a little too often. That's what killed Bergevin. At Tre's level you're paid to have a good crystal ball. We'll see what type of reception his crystal ball has come this summer.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

To me here is the conundrum of evaluating the GM.

The flames have had a terrific regular season and won the majority of their games.

If they falter in the playoffs, then isn't that mostly on the players as they have shown thru 82 games they are a good team due in part to the players and coaches that Tre has signed?

That’s where I’m at. They’ve shown they can put away games against all sorts of opponents including other teams who made the playoffs. They have plenty of guys on the roster who have rings and lots of games in the postseason.

At a certain point, a GM has done what he can do and it’s up to the coach and the players to do their job.

There are people who would blame Treliving if Markstrom turned into a pumpkin and let in 5 per game for a .700 over a 4 game sweep. It’s the playoffs, all these guys have shown they can do their job, up to them to do it now.

[TheChief]

Still am not a fan of Brad even with the successful season we have had. I think a lot (100%) of it can be attributed to Sutter and the players basically he told Brad to acquire.



Lets see how he navigates the cap next year (since its a slam dunk at this point he will still be manager).



Daryl saved his job.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Still am not a fan of Brad even with the successful season we have had. I think a lot (100%) of it can be attributed to Sutter and the players basically he told Brad to acquire.



Lets see how he navigates the cap next year (since its a slam dunk at this point he will still be manager).


Daryl saved his job.

When Brad acquired/signed those players he was an idiot for doing it. Now those players have had a good season Brad had nothing to do with acquiring/signing those players.

[TheChief]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

When Brad acquired/signed those players he was an idiot for doing it. Now those players have had a good season Brad had nothing to do with acquiring/signing those players.

Sutter

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Sutter

Darryl had a hand in it no doubt. And it shows Brad was smart enough to listen to his suggestions. Isn't that a good thing?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

When Brad acquired/signed those players he was an idiot for doing it. Now those players have had a good season Brad had nothing to do with acquiring/signing those players.

Or that he brought in some of the best players on the team before Sutter arrived (Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Markstrom........).

Sutter deserves a ton of credit for this team's play, obviously. But to say Treliving gets no credit is just plain silly.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Still am not a fan of Brad even with the successful season we have had. I think a lot (100%) of it can be attributed to Sutter and the players basically he told Brad to acquire.



Lets see how he navigates the cap next year (since its a slam dunk at this point he will still be manager).



Daryl saved his job.

Confirmation bias at it's finest.

[Eb0la11]

Treliving is probably the best GM of the flames in the last 20 years or so. We’ve had some bad runs at the position

[Infinit47]

I mean, I think the Flames need to make it beyond the first round, or else he could be gone. He really went all in this year with Gaudreau and Tkachuk without contracts for next year.

If the Flames lose in round 1 and Gaudreau leaves for nothing I expect Tre will be replaced.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

If the Flames lose in round 1 and Gaudreau leaves for nothing I expect Tre will be replaced.

I still don't believe there is any chance that Treliving will get replaced in the offseason.


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[EVERLAST]

Sutter has stated so many times before this season that the blueprint was fine ....it was the pace at which this team was executing said plan, system blah blah blah.

It's excruciating seeing this discussion go and go and go.

It's no different than Sutter telling the media or rather challenging them to dig into the the numbers of whether or not Markstrom needed more rest or not.

And he wasn't wrong !! AND HERES THE BIGGEST PART.
He didn't say it out of EGO or pride or arrogance....and certainly wasn't trying to be the smartest guy in the room like so many people try and do in life period.

I think after 4 decades he knows his S.

In all fairness every GM from his first to last day is learning. The game has changed so much and some just consistently roll along doing good work and some not so good. I've been critical of Treliving and even Sutter before the rehire.

I was in the small group who momentarily thought the game had passed Sutter by and that he would never have this kind of success.

Eric Francis said some stuff too and he will continue to pay the price because Darryl isn't about to forget that . Dumb of Francis but he too is still learning how to keep his Yap shut ....but boy when this is done he'll know better.

Yeah, some bad coaches were hired.....all of which couldn't hold a candle to Darryl.

Since 1980 I've watched . I've seen allot of mediocrity, bad decisions by upper management, gms, coaches .

We had a period during the dark years after Cliff Fletcher was gone that this team's upper management was in fighting so bad I almost stopped being a fan.

It resembled watching the Oilers and Kevin Lowe trying to justify EVERYTHING because " I know something about winning" he'd say....yeah Kev we get it .....glory days.....but there not coming back .

I'm just glad we don't have this crap going on here for the time being. Everyone is on the same side an pulling in the same direction which is awesome in so many ways.

I just want to see the pissing contests end on all seriousness. During the pandemic I thought this forum had just gone straight to hell with all the in fighting , name calling , personal attacks it was a nightmare.

Now we've got something to cheer about , something in common to celebrate and get back on good terms .

Not a better place to be once again is all ill say.

Go.Flames. Go.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Talk about one of the worst decisions an ownership group could ever make, regardless of the history. Win your division easily and fire the GM in the off-season?

That's Eugene Melnyk level bad decision making.

It's not gonna happen.

[Strange Brew]

If the Flames get blown out in round 1, fans will be calling for a lot more than the GM's head. And there will be lots of questions about whether you pay your diminutive best player $11+ million for 8 years if you can't win in the playoffs with him making $7 million.

It's a hypothetical I would rather not think about. The GM assembled a good team with a good coach. Now we'll see how they handle the pressure of the playoffs and here's hoping we get a bounce or two. Feels like we're due.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by chedder

If the Flames falter in the playoffs again wouldn't the evaluation then be that the gm can build a good regular season team that is not a good post season team? The game does change between the two and this year is going to show whether the team he assembled is a playoff team. They have the coach, the goalie. There are no more excuses.

You can't be saying that regular season success is because of the gm but playoff failure is not.

I do think he's built a good team with a good coach finally. In my mind that gives him some credit. But credit is fleeting and playoff results are what matter.

Great post. We will see what the team looks like in the post season. I’m optimistic because the depth and goaltending has never been this good. But, last night’s game was the closest we’ve seen to a playoff type game and the first line was invisible until the last 10 seconds of the game.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Or that he brought in some of the best players on the team before Sutter arrived (Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Markstrom........).

Sutter deserves a ton of credit for this team's play, obviously. But to say Treliving gets no credit is just willfully ignorant.

Fixed.