Its funny how the board shifts. For years the wizard could do no wrong. Now he is public enemy number one and any criticism of Conroy turns into eye rolls. In reality, they are both great but imperfect GMs.
I really appreciated Treliving's ability to make things happen. But he was a bit wasteful at times. He was also a bit of a gambler and it didnt alway pay out.
Conroy is a great drafting and development GM, and he seems to be able to find off the radar players for value. He doesn’t seem to have Brad's ability to make things happen though, maybe a bit to patient at times.
Early on some people complained Treliving didn't take risks (compared to Jarmo who they really liked). I think, viewed from a distance, most unbiased onlookers would see Treliving as a middling GM. He's no Mike Milbury, or Bob Pulford, or Don Maclean in terms of poor results and poor decisions.
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Agree. I would've been okay trading Tkachuk and Bennett to the Panthers for just Future Considerations if I knew they would prevent the Oilers from winning a Stanley Cup. Twice.
Would do it again in a heartbeat. Totally worth it
This is what it has to come to for Flames fans. More invested in preventing a rival from succeeding then your own team's success.
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Its funny how the board shifts. For years the wizard could do no wrong. Now he is public enemy number one and any criticism of Conroy turns into eye rolls. In reality, they are both great but imperfect GMs.
I really appreciated Treliving's ability to make things happen. But he was a bit wasteful at times. He was also a bit of a gambler and it didnt alway pay out.
Conroy is a great drafting and development GM, and he seems to be able to find off the radar players for value. He doesn’t seem to have Brad's ability to make things happen though, maybe a bit to patient at times.
And NHL teams these days are not run by one person. Decisions are made collaboratively, and most of the braintrust from the Treliving regime is still calling the shots for the Flames. It’s natural after a disappointing spell to want to treat it like a clean break. But it’s largely the same management, scouting, and ownership team that has been guiding the team over the last decade.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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This is what it has to come to for Flames fans. More invested in preventing a rival from succeeding then your own team's success.
This is what 2 playoff wins in 20 years will do to a fanbase. Others failure is our biggest success.
It is actually kind of unbelievable that there are many on here who want to keep the veterans like Kadri and Coleman instead of getting value for them. I think many Flames fans are just hoping to have a decent team, and don't actually want a contender! Many seem to be fine with never picking up elite talent at the top of the draft.
This is what 2 playoff wins in 20 years will do to a fanbase. Others failure is our biggest success.
It is actually kind of unbelievable that there are many on here who want to keep the veterans like Kadri and Coleman instead of getting value for them. I think many Flames fans are just hoping to have a decent team, and don't actually want a contender! Many seem to be fine with never picking up elite talent at the top of the draft.
Well once again you prove that you've made no effort to actually understand what others have said. The above isn't representative of how many of us feel. Instead, at least myself, and i suspect others
- recognize this team isn't going to tear it down to the studs for a strip down re-build
- understand that Kadri has full trade protection
- see more than one way to build a contender
- don't see the value in complaining about the same things hundreds of times. instead we choose to accept some of the above realities and discuss the possibilities of building a good team within those.
To say "don't actually want a contender" is such a lazy summary of those with different views. Either try to actually hear what people are saying, or at minimum, don't over simplify those views. You talk about wanting people to be more open minded, yet have exhibited no ability to be that way yourself. Instead you completely ignore and mis-represent what others are saying.
Show me one. single. quote where someone says "they don't want a contender".
One.
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Well once again you prove that you've made no effort to actually understand what others have said. The above isn't representative of how many of us feel. Instead, at least myself, and i suspect others
- recognize this team isn't going to tear it down to the studs for a strip down re-build
- understand that Kadri has full trade protection
- see more than one way to build a contender
- don't see the value in complaining about the same things hundreds of times. instead we choose to accept some of the above realities and discuss the possibilities of building a good team within those.
To say "don't actually want a contender" is such a lazy summary of those with different views. Either try to actually hear what people are saying, or at minimum, don't over simplify those views.
I thought you were putting me on ignore? Go figure it is you who is first to attack anyone's opinion who differs from you.
Another day and another Rhett post complaining that Kadri hasn’t been traded yet. Most of the board would be fine with a Kadri and Coleman trade but understand that trade protection makes it difficult.
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Another day and another Rhett post complaining that Kadri hasn’t been traded yet. Most of the board would be fine with a Kadri and Coleman trade but understand that trade protection makes it difficult.
Yeah
It would be a good time to trade those players and their trade protection does add an element of difficulty.
That said, this team has moved many key pieces in the past couple of years and is in the process of moving another. I like the fact that Conroy isn’t pressuring anyone into a trade. You can say there’s value in showing other players that you are dealing with an organization with integrity
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It is actually kind of unbelievable that there are many on here who want to keep the veterans like Kadri and Coleman instead of getting value for them. I think many Flames fans are just hoping to have a decent team, and don't actually want a contender! Many seem to be fine with never picking up elite talent at the top of the draft.
How do you figure this? Because most posters aren't under some delusion that posting repeatedly about trading Kadri is somehow going to absolve his NMC and force him to be traded? Posting here has literally zero influence on the management of an NHL organization. It's such a cop out to talk like everyone who doesn't post all day about trading Kadri in some make believe scenario doesn't want a winning team. What fan doesn't want their team to win it all?
I still think Coleman's value is more at a trade deadline and not the off-season. He's the perfect guy teams want to add for a run.
I think a lot of the work Conroy is doing is preparing for the deadline. They will make an Andersson deal now if they can get the right price, but there is no rush to trade Coleman, Kadri, Backlund, or Lomberg. Wait and see how the season plays out.
Another day and another Rhett post complaining that Kadri hasn’t been traded yet. Most of the board would be fine with a Kadri and Coleman trade but understand that trade protection makes it difficult.
Trading Kadri and Huby might make more sense as the cap increases (making them relatively more attractive) and the flames no longer need them to get to the cap floor (because their younger players get raises).
The rebuild is multi-year.
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The fact Gullfoss is not banned for life on here is such an embarrassment. Just a joke.
Trading Kadri and Huby might make more sense as the cap increases (making them relatively more attractive) and the flames no longer need them to get to the cap floor (because their younger players get raises).
The rebuild is multi-year.
The rebuild is non-existent.
The reason so many people keep trying to use the term "retool" is because the Flames are not going to do that thing where they sell off everyone and bottom out.
Kadri won't be traded until Kadri wants to be traded because of his NMC. Even when his clause changes to a 13 team no trade list, that will still give him a lot of protection to pick and choose teams to eliminate trade partners.
Backlund likely won't be traded until Backlund decides he wants to be traded because the team is going to show loyalty to whatever he decides
Huberdeau likely won't be traded even if he wants to be traded because even if he is a 30 goal scorer, his contract will be tough to move, and his NMC for the next 4 seasons gives him full control over where he plays
Coleman I can see being traded but his 10 team NTC does give him a lot of control in the conversation.
Even if one or two of that list are traded along with Andersson, that may not be enough to have the team bottom out. Wolf, Coronato, Zary, Bahl, Parekh, etc. are all emerging or are expected to be emerging next season with even more in the wings (Kuznetsov, Solovyov, Stromgren, Honzek, Morton, Poirier, Gridin, Basha, Suniev, Battaglia, Brzustewicz, etc.).
This team is just not built to do a burnt-it-down-rebuild, which makes sense because Treliving was building this team as a contender right up until the moment he packed his bags for TO. Conroy gave the roster a chance to be a contender and then started the retool when they fell on their face.
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Let's just keep Kadri and the gang. Happy to stay in the mushy middle and draft 15th every year.
And players are asked to waive their NTC all the time. But people are acting like we are trying to force him into retirement. But let's keep doing what we always do!
