American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Differences between Hitler and Trump...is there any?

1a) Hitler became his party's leader in 1921, and by 1922 his control over it was unchallenged.
1b) Trump became his party's leader in 2016, and by 2017 his control over it was unchallenged.

2a) During the 1920s, he and the Nazis ran on a platform of anti-communism, antisemitism, and ultranationalism.
2b) After seizing control he and the Republican party ran on a platform of racism and ultranationalism.

3a) The Great Depression brought the German economy to a halt and further polarized German politics. Hitler and the Nazis began to exploit the crisis and loudly criticized the ruling government.
3b) The COVID pandemic brought the US economy to a halt and further polarized USA politics. Trump and the republican's began to exploit the crisis and loudly criticized the ruling government.

4a) In 1923, Hitler attempted a coup in Bavaria, known as the Beer Hall Putsch. Hitler was arrested and put on trial, which garnered him national fame. He was sentenced to five years in prison, but served only nine months.
4b) In 2021, Trump attempted a coup known as the January 6 Capitol attack, Trump was charged with insurrection, charged with 4 felony counts for attempt to overturn the 2020 election · one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States and stealing secret documents, but charges dropped after becoming President again.

5a) The groundwork for Hitler's dictatorship was laid when the Reichstag was set on fire in February 1933. Blaming communists for the arson, Hitler convinced von Hindenburg to pass the Reichstag Fire Decree, which severely curtailed the liberties and rights of German citizens as Hitler began eliminating his political opponents.
5b) Trump started his 2nd Presidency by pardoning over 1500 January 6 rioters, firing every FBI agent who investigated him on all charges against him, the groundwork for Trump's dictatorship has just started.

Hard to believe this is happening in real time.

Hitler was making pretty good deals in the 20s and 30s to get Germany back after WWI, taking back "German" lands and getting gold and minerals from Romania etc... loans from the US etc...

If he had stopped at the Sudetenland, he would have been viewed as normal. Taking the rest of Czechoslovakia and then Poland showed his madness.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Hitler was making pretty good deals in the 20s and 30s to get Germany back after WWI, taking back "German" lands and getting gold and minerals from Romania etc... loans from the US etc...

If he had stopped at the Sudetenland, he would have been viewed as normal. Taking the rest of Czechoslovakia and then Poland showed his madness.

The genocide was a little wacky too.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

The genocide was a little wacky too.

Yeah, cant see any parallels with how Hitler and Trump think of immigrants...

[Drak]

Hitler was lot more intelligent than Trump. Not sure if that's good or bad if/when the sh## hits the fan full throttle.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Differences between Hitler and Trump...is there any?

1a) Hitler became his party's leader in 1921, and by 1922 his control over it was unchallenged.
1b) Trump became his party's leader in 2016, and by 2017 his control over it was unchallenged.

2a) During the 1920s, he and the Nazis ran on a platform of anti-communism, antisemitism, and ultranationalism.
2b) After seizing control he and the Republican party ran on a platform of racism and ultranationalism.

3a) The Great Depression brought the German economy to a halt and further polarized German politics. Hitler and the Nazis began to exploit the crisis and loudly criticized the ruling government.
3b) The COVID pandemic brought the US economy to a halt and further polarized USA politics. Trump and the republican's began to exploit the crisis and loudly criticized the ruling government.

4a) In 1923, Hitler attempted a coup in Bavaria, known as the Beer Hall Putsch. Hitler was arrested and put on trial, which garnered him national fame. He was sentenced to five years in prison, but served only nine months.
4b) In 2021, Trump attempted a coup known as the January 6 Capitol attack, Trump was charged with insurrection, charged with 4 felony counts for attempt to overturn the 2020 election · one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States and stealing secret documents, but charges dropped after becoming President again.

5a) The groundwork for Hitler's dictatorship was laid when the Reichstag was set on fire in February 1933. Blaming communists for the arson, Hitler convinced von Hindenburg to pass the Reichstag Fire Decree, which severely curtailed the liberties and rights of German citizens as Hitler began eliminating his political opponents.
5b) Trump started his 2nd Presidency by pardoning over 1500 January 6 rioters, firing every FBI agent who investigated him on all charges against him, the groundwork for Trump's dictatorship has just started.

Hard to believe this is happening in real time.

I basically laid out the exact same points to my BIL on the weekend, terminating with Alberta being the Sudentenland, or perhaps Austria. He refused to acknowledge it, and kept saying that the threat is a step too far. I kept asking him which one of these other steps was not already too far...

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bs&Cs

1933: Enabling Act signed giving the German cabinet, and specifically the chancellor basically unlimited power, cutting out the legislature and ending checks and balances in Weimar Germany

2025: Trump signs executive order saying only he and the attorney general have the right to interpret American law, effectively ending independent agencies and further neuterng the legislature.

Wonder when the fire will be.

I’ve basically accepted it’s over. But if the majority of people don’t do something significant like… today… it’s certainly over. Surprised there hasn’t been a general strike or something. I imagine if Trudeau made himself all powerful it would lead to a significant response.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Jesus Christ, I really need to stop reading these threads and avoid the news for a few days just for my own mental health. Just when you think things couldn’t possibly get worse than what we’re seeing, a story like this pops up and just reminds you again how f***ing horrible this administration is. This story broke me just now. Absolutely heartbreaking.

Buckle in. It’ll get worse.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by icarus

Curious how many electoral college votes we will get as the 51st state.

This is an example of just how cluelessly naive people are, and how normal people can't see the reality happening directly in front of them. There would be not EC votes for Canada. There will be no EC votes for anyone in a fascist country. There will be no voting by anyone for anything. Musing about how much power Canadians may have in a world where the US takes Canada is missing the forest for the moss. Yet we hear people and even the media asking this question. And that's the scariest part. No one can even imagine the reality of what is happening.

[Wastedyouth]

I said it before and I will say it again. There is nothing you can do about the states or Trump. Take some time off, enjoy your life and the things you can actually effect in your day. Stop feeding your own anxieties by worrying about things outside your sphere of influence.

And if you truly want to have a lasting effect on your future and that of your loved ones, put your name up for one of the many many many public office positions this year or volunteer to help on a campaign at ANY level of government, lord knows the best candidates and people need as much support as they can get. It is a municipal election year, get off your keyboard and out into the real world and DO something tangible to control your future and community.

[PsYcNeT]

Good advice. I'll be spending the weekend digging out some holes and sharpening some pungee sticks, and learning how to wire a Bouncing Betty.

[marsplasticeraser]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This is an example of just how cluelessly naive people are, and how normal people can't see the reality happening directly in front of them. There would be not EC votes for Canada. There will be no EC votes for anyone in a fascist country. There will be no voting by anyone for anything. Musing about how much power Canadians may have in a world where the US takes Canada is missing the forest for the moss. Yet we hear people and even the media asking this question. And that's the scariest part. No one can even imagine the reality of what is happening.

You annex a country to exploit it. 1000 years of history shows us this.

To the victor goes the spoils.

If Trump annexes Canada we can expect Trump loyalists to harvest or sell of our assets, whether public or private.

Their actions and talk of doing this shows they don't give 2 sh*ts about us or our society.

And the Albertans who think becoming a part of the US will be great are either liars or morons. Likely both.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by icarus

Curious how many electoral college votes we will get as the 51st state.

I wanna know if you’re joking or not.

Like… you’re ####ing joking, right?

[Drak]

Maple MAGA doesn’t seem to understand that under fascist rule they will have no rights or freedoms. I guess they don’t care as long as they owned the libs.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by marsplasticeraser

You annex a country to exploit it. 1000 years of history shows us this.

To the victor goes the spoils.

If Trump annexes Canada we can expect Trump loyalists to harvest or sell of our assets, whether public or private.

Their actions and talk of doing this shows they don't give 2 sh*ts about us or our society.

And the Albertans who think becoming a part of the US will be great are either liars or morons. Likely both.

No, no we really should just talk about what voting rights we'll have in the new strong democratic America that is emerging! You gotta plan ahead!
####ing morans.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Trump knows we'd vote blue. He'd make us a territory without voting rights, like Puerto Rico.

This.

[Monahammer]

He is a devout racist. No doubt we would be thought of as slightly superior to Peurto Rico. But Territory does seem the most likely, with the justification that most states began as territories or some other such bull####.

[Drak]

Americans will no longer have voting rights either. They will most likely hold fake elections like they do in Russia - the winners will always be the same. Trump promised this over and over on the campaign trail. God people are stupid.

[Monahammer]

What if we offer up Manitou Island or something to become the next Trump mega riviera. The indigenous riviera.

Would that keep his attention long enough to not get annexed?

[Fuzz]

LOL, and you guys carry on. It doesn't matter what legal framework you think we will be slotted into, because none of those will exist. He's currently dismantling foreign election interference monitoring, and has no intention of continuing democracy. He clearly has no concern for the constitution. He's got the SC in his pocket, and congress lying down like a lap dog at his feet. There are no checks and balances. I'll be surprised if they have another election again. We are ONE MONTH IN.

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't think they would even make Canada an official territory. They would just keep us in an occupied puppet state. It would give them all the benefits of having a territory without taking on any of the burdens like absorbing our debt, allowing 40 million people to cross the border at will or reside/work in the U.S.

It would be more like a Russia-Belarus situation. They would just make us America junior. There would be a facade of independence, but no actual control over anything. It would be just as bad for us, or possibly even worse.