Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[timun]

Originally Posted by zamler

Not mindlessly, that describes your post you put zero effort into fact checking. ChatGPT summary is correct.

ChatGPT's "summary" reads like you specifically asked it "did Tesla get a government bailout?", which is only tangentially what Erick Estrada was talking about. It's stupid "red herring" BS.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by zamler

As for Twitter as a company, going forward it is going to be wildly financially successful unlike it has been since the business started. Quote me on this and revisit it in the future.

Based on what?

[Fuzz]

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by zamler

And some businesses are both financially successful and a positive to humanity. Like Tesla, the company has forced entire industries to move away from burning oil.

While I’d agree that Tesla has definitely provided some positive contributions to society let’s not pretend they don’t have a number of faults too that arguably outweigh at least some of the benefits of those contributions.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Did you ask ChatGPT about this?:

I am fully aware of Tesla as a business, far more than anyone here. That's why I started investing so many years ago I paid close attention to the details. Every auto maker has access to the same incentives as Tesla if you're going to whine about it, include every auto maker getting government money. But you're not going to do that because your only goal is hyper partisan complaining.

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

While I’d agree that Tesla has definitely provided some positive contributions to society let’s not pretend they don’t have a number of faults too that arguably outweigh at least some of the benefits of those contributions.

That's a narrative not reality. Words vs. actions and outcome.

[Cappy]

Elon Musk made electric cars cool. That's about it.

the cars themselves are gimmicky and poorer quality than other vehicles in their price range.

[zamler]

Then buy stock in companies that are doing it better, I've been saying this for going on 10 years now.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by zamler

Then buy stock in companies that are doing it better, I've been saying this for going on 10 years now.

Buy stock's in a company that hasn't returned to November 2020 price levels? That shouldn't be too hard.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by zamler

Then buy stock in companies that are doing it better, I've been saying this for going on 10 years now.

who says i haven't?

Or are you saying i should jump on the most over-hyped, over-inflated stock of all time? no thanks, I don't plan on holding that bag

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by zamler

Agreed. He needs a platform besides "Trudeau bad". That's all he talks about.

Being in the opposition is the easiest job on parliament hill, all you have to do is criticize.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by zamler

I've been on Twitter since around last summer it's been getting better and better. Cry baby media outlets (and individuals) leaving is a win not a loss. As for Twitter as a company, going forward it is going to be wildly financially successful unlike it has been since the business started. Quote me on this and revisit it in the future.


This didn't happen. From ChatGPT

Which parts are you enjoying the most? the racists being enabled to say what they want? the hatred of women and non straight people? The calls to violence?

You loving what twitter has become says a lot of where your loyalties lie and what you appear to believe.

They only freedom of speech Musk is promoting is freedom of hate speech.

[Ozy_Flame]

This has Big Orange Orangutan vibes. Here's hoping it's as successful as Truth Social and Parler!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1648406038909952009

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

By stock's in a company that hasn't returned to November 2020 price levels? That shouldn't be too hard.

You don't know the difference between gambling and investing. And the recent dip was an incredible gift.

Originally Posted by Cappy

who says i haven't?

Let me guess, you bought and then sold at exactly the correct times.

Or are you saying i should jump on the most over-hyped, over-inflated stock of all time? no thanks, I don't plan on holding that bag

This will prove to have been an incredibly foolish decision on your part. I have held that bag for many years and plan to hold it until at least 2030. Worst case I will see a return of 30x likely much higher.

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Being in the opposition is the easiest job on parliament hill, all you have to do is criticize.

That's all we ever get.

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Which parts are you enjoying the most? the racists being enabled to say what they want? the hatred of women and non straight people? The calls to violence?

You loving what twitter has become says a lot of where your loyalties lie and what you appear to believe.

They only freedom of speech Musk is promoting is freedom of hate speech.

You're the one enjoying all of this and more especially the pedo stuff. Yes I'm making completely unfounded accusations in kind.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Which parts are you enjoying the most? the racists being enabled to say what they want? the hatred of women and non straight people? The calls to violence?

You loving what twitter has become says a lot of where your loyalties lie and what you appear to believe.

They only freedom of speech Musk is promoting is freedom of hate speech.

I can see how people who are big Elon fans like the direction, because Musks tweets litter their feeds. Musk also re-tweets Tesla, SpaceX, and (LOL) Boring Company news, along with amplifying voices of various Tesla boosting troglodytes who would lick Musks balls if he so much as bent over to pick up a dropped 4680 cell. So if you are into that stuff I can see how you think it is going well.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by zamler

I am fully aware of Tesla as a business, far more than anyone here. That's why I started investing so many years ago I paid close attention to the details. Every auto maker has access to the same incentives as Tesla if you're going to whine about it, include every auto maker getting government money. But you're not going to do that because your only goal is hyper partisan complaining.

Are those other auto manufacturers buying social media platforms and trying to label certain entities or people as government funded but not themselves? No, I didn’t think so either.

Your hyper partisan remark is unfounded, to my knowledge Musk isn’t a political party.

That's a narrative not reality. Words vs. actions and outcome.

Are you trying to argue that being found guilty of violating labour laws wasn’t a result of their actions? If so that’s a little silly IMO

Seeing as you’re “far more aware” than anyone else about how Tesla operates as a business you should be well aware that historically they have partaken in some pretty shady practices.

Do you mind sharing your opinion on how many times Tesla should be entitled to break the law because of their other contributions? Or are you gonna try and claim that’s a partisan remark to avoid doing so?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Are those other auto manufacturers buying social media platforms and trying to label certain entities or people as government funded but not themselves? No, I didn’t think so either.

Your hyper partisan remark is unfounded, to my knowledge Musk isn’t a political party.



Are you trying to argue that being found guilty of violating labour laws wasn’t a result of their actions? If so that’s a little silly IMO

Seeing as you’re “far more aware” than anyone else about how Tesla operates as a business you should be well aware that historically they have partaken in some pretty shady practices.

Do you mind sharing your opinion on how many times Tesla should be entitled to break the law because of their other contributions? Or are you gonna try and claim that’s a partisan remark to avoid doing so?

Beyond the scope of this thread, if you want send me a PM we can have a discussion. I am keenly aware of Tesla as a business and Elon as a businessman. I filter out the emotional arguments and general hatred that are tied to hyper partisan political beliefs.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by zamler

Beyond the scope of this thread, if you want send me a PM we can have a discussion. I am keenly aware of Tesla as a business and Elon as a businessman. I filter out the emotional arguments and general hatred that are tied to hyper partisan political beliefs.

You brought it up in this thread so I think everyone will be ok with you responding in this thread. Frankly if you’re too scared to respond in this thread I’m not interested in reading about it privately.

There’s nothing hyper partisan or even partisan for that matter about political views that any party are free to and frankly should be encouraged to support, especially when the parties who don’t support them try to bull#### people into believing that they support them anyways. So how about tuning off that broken record and having a mature discussion? I’m assuming you’re capable of that.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Elon Musk made electric cars cool. That's about it.

the cars themselves are gimmicky and poorer quality than other vehicles in their price range.

Tesla is also about the only company that can produce them profitably and at scale at this point. The other companies have completely dropped the ball on EVs. Teslas sell well despite their issues because you can actually get one, unlike other automakers where you get to sit on a list for a year or two to maybe get one.

That said, their margins are dropping as they've had to have price reductions to keep demand up and prevent inventory from piling up. If the forecast for their earnings report tomorrow is accurate, their Trailing 12 Months Earnings Per Share will drop for the first time in almost 3 years.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

You brought it up in this thread so I think everyone will be ok with you responding in this thread. Frankly if you’re too scared to respond in this thread I’m not interested in reading about it privately.

Frankly if you're not willing to have a discussion with me 1 on 1 then I'm not the one that is afraid. You don't have the balls to discuss anything with me in private. And have you seen my posts in the Tesla thread? Does it seem like I'm afraid to voice my views? I don't care if people are going to make stupid memes or attack me in general, I say what I really believe. Conviction in ones beliefs is fundamental, stick with them until logically you are convinced otherwise.

There’s nothing hyper partisan or even partisan for that matter about political views that any party are free to and frankly should be encouraged to support, especially when the parties who don’t support them try to bull#### people into believing that they support them anyways. So how about tuning off that broken record and having a mature discussion? I’m assuming you’re capable of that.

You missed the point. Hyper partisanship is clouding people's brains and preventing them from making money. Not sure how much more clear I can be. If over the years I went with the current political group think I would have become convinced that Tesla was going bankrupt. Rinse and repeat every single year. Many people 100% bought into this and liquidated their investments because the experts told them to.

The same thing is happening with Twitter. Elon has zero idea what he's doing the company is being driven into the ground. Will go bankrupt. The exact opposite is playing out, exactly like it did with Tesla. Are you not really seeing the big picture here? Take the above and apply the same emotional, partisan mindset to politics this is where this thread is and society in general.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Tesla is also about the only company that can produce them profitably and at scale at this point. The other companies have completely dropped the ball on EVs. Teslas sell well despite their issues because you can actually get one, unlike other automakers where you get to sit on a list for a year or two to maybe get one.

That said, their margins are dropping as they've had to have price reductions to keep demand up and prevent inventory from piling up. If the forecast for their earnings report tomorrow is accurate, their Trailing 12 Months Earnings Per Share will drop for the first time in almost 3 years.

I've said it before, but the other auto makers didn't drop the ball, they knew they were unprofitable, so they didn't make them. Now costs have come down, incentives increased, and future government regulations pushed them. This is exactly what a company should do. They dabbled here and there, and are now getting serious. They'll go through a few years of pains, but it will be far less than if they had jumped in too soon.