Edmonton is No Good XI: Mud, Sweatpants and Tiers

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by getbak

I'm surprised they kept him as an available player in the game. Read the room, EA.

I thought maybe like Gaudreau they would have took them out with the first roster update but nope. He's still there. And right at the top.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by getbak

I'm surprised they kept him as an available player in the game. Read the room, EA.

Thats a good point actually.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I'm a fan of Crosby, and I never saw Howe or Orr or young Gretzky, but for me I've never seen anyone come close to dominating a game as much as Lemieux did in the early 90s.

I'm always on the fence about Lemieux. That guy had it all.

Just...people talk about Gretzky being cerebral and better than all of his opponents, but Lemieux had that and size.

Lemieux wasn't a Hockey Player....he was a Force of Nature.

When his skates hit the ice? You'd think his opponents would mutter 'awww s###!'

[Reggie Dunlop]

Robbie Schremp

[keratosis]

Best bust ever!

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by keratosis

Best bust ever!

How about #1 overall Yakapov?

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

How about #1 overall Yakapov?

Speaking of the Yak Attack, Mark Jankowski passed him last year in NHL games played from the 2012 Draft.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

How about #1 overall Yakapov?

I still maintain that it was a good pick. Yakupov was the consensus #1 OA pick that year and was a beast in junior. I see his failure in the NHL more to do with poor player development and the Oilers falling into the trap of drafting a Russian who didn't want to go back to junior or play in the minors, so they rushed him. Both the player and the Oilers were to blame there. If they would have brought him up the right way, I think it would have been a different story with him.

I remember telling telling my Oiler fan friend that they should trade the pick as it was their third 1st OA in a row and they would be better off getting a known commodity rather than a risky Russian, keeping in mind that the KHL was really swinging for the fences at that time.

A less insecure team would have sent him back to Sarnia or let him stew in Russia until he was actually read for the NHL.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm always on the fence about Lemieux. That guy had it all.

Just...people talk about Gretzky being cerebral and better than all of his opponents, but Lemieux had that and size.

Lemieux wasn't a Hockey Player....he was a Force of Nature.

When his skates hit the ice? You'd think his opponents would mutter 'awww s###!'

If Lemieux had had better health in his career, I honestly believe he’d have more records than Gretzky.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

If Lemieux had had better health in his career, I honestly believe he’d have more records than Gretzky.

I hear this a lot and the PPG were close but like Gretzky the bulk of his points were before the cancer at age 30.

Gretzky's PPG after his 12th season was 2.35 with 2167 points

Lemieux's PPG after his 12th season was 2.00 with 1494 points

I would have been quite a feat to catch Wayne even if healthy after 30

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm always on the fence about Lemieux. That guy had it all.



Just...people talk about Gretzky being cerebral and better than all of his opponents, but Lemieux had that and size.



Lemieux wasn't a Hockey Player....he was a Force of Nature.



When his skates hit the ice? You'd think his opponents would mutter 'awww s###!'

It's a bit off topic to the thread but Lemieux was an incredible player I remember when he came out of retirement and Jordan followed coming out of retirement in the NBA. Lemieux was a standout and climbing the charts being the franchise player he was before, while Jordan was never that guy again, he was good but not the franchise player dominating the league his time passed, just shows how good Mario was.

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[browna]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I still maintain that is was a good pick. Yakupov was the consensus #1 OA pick that year and was a beast in junior. I see his failure in the NHL more to do with poor player development and the Oilers falling into the trap of drafting a Russian who didn't want to go back to junior or play in the minors, so they rushed him. Both the player and the Oilers were to blame there. If they would have brought him up the right way, I think it would have been a different story with him.

I remember telling telling my Oiler fan friend that they should trade the pick as it was their third 1st OA in a row and they would be better off getting a known commodity rather than a risky Russian, keeping in mind that the KHL was really swinging for the fences at that time.

A less insecure team would have sent him back to Sarnia or let him stew in Russia until he was actually read for the NHL.

Yeah if the Oilers had a properly run organization, with veteran players to bring a guy like him along and properly respect the game, and mainly, not having an executive who meddled with the players above the coaches and told all those top picks that the team rules and coaches rules didn't quite apply to them (thus why they didn't have trustworthy vets) because they needed to let their skill shine through, Yakupov would've been fine, even if he never went back to junior.

Besides that, he had Kruger for a year, then Lowe thought he was smarter than everyone else again and fired him to get Eakins the next...and less then two years later it was Todd Nelson for 20 games.

Nevermind all the other back room stuff that Lowe pulled. This was a team that didn't get Poolparty an interpreter or English lessons for 2 years.
Yakupov, Hall and RNH and Eberle had to figure out life in the NHL on their own as 19 and 20 year old kids because of the lack of proper organizational development (which bordered in developmental negligence) for top junior players.

Hell, who knows how Draisital would've fared in his development had McDavid not come along the next year. Dr Drai had 9 points in 37 games in his rookie year when he was thrown out to the lions like Hall and Yakupov were.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I hear this a lot and the PPG were close but like Gretzky the bulk of his points were before the cancer at age 30.

Gretzky's PPG after his 12th season was 2.35 with 2167 points

Lemieux's PPG after his 12th season was 2.00 with 1494 points

I would have been quite a feat to catch Wayne even if healthy after 30

But if Lemieux was healthy what would his PPG be? It stands to reason that he could have produced more with a healthy body. The year he came within 5 games of Gretzky's record for consecutive points he was that on a bad back. The last dozen games or so he couldn't even bend over to tie his own skates. His streak ended when his back injury was too much for him to finish the last game. That wasn't the only season he lost significant time due to the bad back. What could a healthy Lemieux have done? Most likely more points.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by browna

Yeah if the Oilers had a properly run organization, with veteran players to bring a guy like him along and properly respect the game, and mainly, not having an executive who meddled with the players above the coaches and told all those top picks that the team rules and coaches rules didn't quite apply to them (thus why they didn't have trustworthy vets) because they needed to let their skill shine through, Yakupov would've been fine, even if he never went back to junior.

Besides that, he had Kruger for a year, then Lowe thought he was smarter than everyone else again and fired him to get Eakins the next...and less then two years later it was Todd Nelson for 20 games.

Nevermind all the other back room stuff that Lowe pulled. This was a team that didn't get Poolparty an interpreter or English lessons for 2 years.
Yakupov, Hall and RNH and Eberle had to figure out life in the NHL on their own as 19 and 20 year old kids because of the lack of proper organizational development (which bordered in developmental negligence) for too junior players.

Hell, who knows how Draisital would've fared in his development had McDavid not come along the next year. Dr Drai had 9 points in 37 games in his rookie year when he was thrown out to the lions like Hall and Yakupov were.

Can you imagine how good McDavid would have been if he was drafted into an organization that focused on guiding and building their young stars as players and humans instead of just tossing them the keys and saying "You're good, do what you want." Very irresponsible management. They truly should have been a dominant team and never in the running to draft McDavid. The team is no good and McDavid is masking how truly terrible they really are.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Buff

Can you imagine how good McDavid would have been if he was drafted into an organization that focused on guiding and building their young stars as players and humans instead of just tossing them the keys and saying "You're good, do what you want." Very irresponsible management. They truly should have been a dominant team and never in the running to draft McDavid. The team is no good and McDavid is masking how truly terrible they really are.

He would've been as good as he now, quicker, and imo have had already won the Stanley Cup with whatever organization not named the Oilers.

Like Crosby having and living with Lemiuex for those formative years, if McDavid had that sort of stability of a properly run organization for the first year or two, he'd have had the same success individually and skill progression as he has, but have had a much stronger supporting cast on and off the ice.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by browna

He would've been as good as he now, quicker, and imo have had already won the Stanley Cup with whatever organization not named the Oilers.

Like Crosby having and living with Lemiuex for those formative years, if McDavid had that sort of stability of a properly run organization for the first year or two, he'd have had the same success individually and skill progression as he has, but have had a much stronger supporting cast on and off the ice.

Well, by rights the team should have been Buffalo. So it’s a tough prediction, given their lack of success in development themselves.

[Monahammer]

I think its virtually certain that the oilers sign Hart when/if ever allowed to again. Probably one of the forwards too. Let's hope they are too busy going to prison for that reality to unfold.

[TheIronMaiden]

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Lol why was he even signed.

[Burning Beard]

Hahaha Soilers!