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Old 06-27-2023, 03:40 PM   #6061
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Is it possible he just filled out his ballot backwards? We've seen writers screw up these things before.

Even today, Gord Miller admitted that he voted for Eric Staal for the Selke when he meant to vote for Jordan.
There are lots of these idiots people around. The ones that finish a top five list at #5.
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Mcdavid had the first 150 point season in 30 years. If you think he was only the 5th best player this season then you’re delusional
Nah. McDavid is no good.
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Is it possible he just filled out his ballot backwards? We've seen writers screw up these things before.

Even today, Gord Miller admitted that he voted for Eric Staal for the Selke when he meant to vote for Jordan.
Nah, he didn’t even include McDavid last year at all. Dude is just an idiot.

And even the whole “but without Tkachuk the Panthers don’t make the playoffs” argument holds no merit since he voted Sorokin higher than both and he didn’t help his team to the playoffs.
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It’s not peer pressure to vote the same.

Mcdavid had the first 150 point season in 30 years. If you think he was only the 5th best player this season then you’re delusional
The Hart isn’t for the best player, it’s the most valuable to his team.

McDavid is also a defensive black hole & played with the 2nd leading scorer.

“The best” is subjective and scoring 150 points while being in single digits with +/- isn’t a ringing endorsement of play that contributes to winning.

Best offensive player, sure.

Best player… maybe it’s a slam dunk if he was in an environment that didn’t rely on him to constantly cheat defensive acumen for offence. But he’s in Edmonton.
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Why does McDavid look like a hobo they tried to clean up.
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Nah, he didn’t even include McDavid last year at all. Dude is just an idiot.

And even the whole “but without Tkachuk the Panthers don’t make the playoffs” argument holds no merit since he voted Sorokin higher than both and he didn’t help his team to the playoffs.
I mean, McDavid not being picked last year isn't totally outrageous.

Matthews and Gaudreau were clearly better, and Shesterkin, too. Arguable with Josi/makar/huberdeau

If I had a ballot last season, McDavid is fighting for 4-6th place, definitely not in the top 3.

McDavid had a higher percentage of 1st place votes this season than he deserved too. McKinnon and Tkachuk certainly had an argument.
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Why does McDavid look like a hobo they tried to clean up.
The title of the thread is the only explanation you need.
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Another reason to rebuild now.

Build through the draft and start graduating your picks when the McExodus happens and laugh at the Oilers when they're in shambles and have even older players and no elite talent.
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Old 06-27-2023, 10:40 PM   #6071
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-winning-team/

Spector doing his best propaganda schpeel for the Oilers to grease the explanation when the lose Bjugstad, Kostin, & Yamamoto for nothing.

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As for Kostin, he’s at the back of a long line, and using that old Russian trope of a KHL gig as leverage. Frankly, if I have a player who will choose the KHL over a shot at a Stanley Cup, I’m asking myself how badly I want him on my roster anyhow.

“I’m not sure what I'm doing on Kostin,” Holland admitted.

Have a good year on Edmonton’s fourth line at $800,000? Now, let’s see if I can turn that into a three-year, $4.5 million deal somewhere else. The Oilers then fill those holes with players who are willing to sign cheaper, one-year deals that will improve their marketability the following summer.
Argues by emotion for Bjugstad & Kostin. Doesn’t want to win a cup… or maybe he sees how flawed it is to play 4-6 minutes a night & expect anything.

Excellent sale job by Mark to keep the Edmonton unwashed from losing their minds when they actually have to do math & contemplate the salary cap.

No mention of the Nurse contract sandbagging them… weird…

Weird… no buyers for Yamamoto… it’s almost as if other teams can also do math.

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Has he spoken with Yamamoto, a player who is being shopped across the National Hockey League and has very favourable buy-out terms?

“I have not spoken to Kailer yet,” Holland said. “I'm still working the phones, and I’ve got to see what transpires.”

Asked later on — not specific to Yamamoto — about whether his team would go the buy-out route if need be, Holland gave reporters the rare one-word answer: “Yes.”
“Ok Kenny… why am I paying this guy $2.5M when I can have him for 1/3 of that in a week?”

Keep up the good work.

But… no worries folks, Spec has all the answers for yee old faithless Oil fanatics.

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Holland also promised a long training camp look for Rafael Lavoie, who will need waivers to go down this season. The organization is cheering for him in a big way, to become that drafted, inexpensive player who emerges from the system and helps while on his second professional contract at something less than $1 million per.

And Philip Broberg?


'We're in win-now mode': Holland explains why all-in approach could affect Broberg's ice-time

Well, Holland referenced how Bouchard grew when given the chance.

We read that to mean, if Holland can’t find the upgrade on his blue line, they are looking for, then Broberg will be given the chance to become that upgrade. And if Broberg hasn’t shown huge improvement by the Trade Deadline, they’ll go to market and find somebody better.
If Lavoie can play on the 4th line…
Weird how he doesn’t mention if Lavoie is a safe 4th line type player?

If Broberg can take a step…
A step into what?
Another Bouchard?

They have scoring figured out, maybe they need to keep pucks out of their net.

No problem. Ekholm will be the answer, until he gets enough defensively unstructured Oiler reps that they ruin him too.
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This is funny, chase a Stanley Cup, in Edmonton? By the time, the Oilers get close enough to have a sniff at the Cup, Bjugstad's grandson's grandson is playing in the league.
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I mean, McDavid not being picked last year isn't totally outrageous.

Matthews and Gaudreau were clearly better, and Shesterkin, too. Arguable with Josi/makar/huberdeau

If I had a ballot last season, McDavid is fighting for 4-6th place, definitely not in the top 3.

McDavid had a higher percentage of 1st place votes this season than he deserved too. McKinnon and Tkachuk certainly had an argument.
The idiot left Matthews and Gaudreau off the ballot too last year…

There’s no defense of this goofball voter.
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Old 06-28-2023, 02:47 AM   #6075
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Some of these guys really should get their rights revoked. Those are all good players but how do you rank all of them above the season McDavid just had? It feels like the Iginla snub by the Montreal writer except there was really nothing to gain here outside of idiocy.
The Montreal writer snub was worst because even a 5th place vote would have gave Iggy the win
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...After his contract with the Rangers was done in 08, and I quote him directly on this one, Jaromir Jagr said "But uh, July 2nd, I think Edmonton called... No thanks!" and with that he left for Russia.

Edmonton is no good.
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I love the whole, this team is chasing the cup. They might be in their own mind. But frankly you have to look at this year as a pure step back.

The year before they got to the semi finals and got their skulls caved in by the Avs. They barely stumbled past the Kings, and played a Flames team that got historically bad goaltending.

Last year, they stumbled by the first round, and then except for their pp were poor 5v5 and got historically bad playoff goaltending from an exhausted goaltender.

They're maybe a mid level contender, that's about to get probably a bit worse thanks to cap mismanagement. This is a team that's going to have to over rely on Conna and Pissface. And frankly Conna 5v5 didn't do great in the playoffs.

With the cap the way it is, this year is it, they'd better find a way to load up and win a cup, because things get really interesting next year.

But promoting this team as a Cup contender, They need to fix their goaltending, still fix their blueline, figure out their bottom 6, and a new problem came up this year. Their coach got completely schooled in round two, and his only strategy is to play Conna and Pissy to the point of mental and physical collapse.

Not a contenda.
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I love the whole, this team is chasing the cup. They might be in their own mind. But frankly you have to look at this year as a pure step back.

The year before they got to the semi finals and got their skulls caved in by the Avs. They barely stumbled past the Kings, and played a Flames team that got historically bad goaltending.

Last year, they stumbled by the first round, and then except for their pp were poor 5v5 and got historically bad playoff goaltending from an exhausted goaltender.

They're maybe a mid level contender, that's about to get probably a bit worse thanks to cap mismanagement. This is a team that's going to have to over rely on Conna and Pissface. And frankly Conna 5v5 didn't do great in the playoffs.

With the cap the way it is, this year is it, they'd better find a way to load up and win a cup, because things get really interesting next year.

But promoting this team as a Cup contender, They need to fix their goaltending, still fix their blueline, figure out their bottom 6, and a new problem came up this year. Their coach got completely schooled in round two, and his only strategy is to play Conna and Pissy to the point of mental and physical collapse.

Not a contenda.

i was trying to talk some sense into a buddy of mine that is an oilers fan (not sure what my first mistake was.... assuming an oilers fan would comprehend something like that or the fact that i'm buddies with an oilers fan) anyways - i brought up all these points and his reply was that i was delusional and upset becuz flames are "a dumpster fire" (funny hearing that from an oilers fan).
his rational is that "the betting sites" have the oilers as top 5 to win the cup year next.
i tried to explain that the only reason the oilers (and leafs) are so high on those sites is becuz their fans are dumb and a fool and his money are soon parted
then he went on about they are elite becuz they've lost to the eventual cup champs 2 years in a row
yes - but in the recent past the canucks lost to the 'eventual cup champs' 3 years in a row and they still suck.
the conversation ended when i brought up that the oilers didn't go as far in the playoffs as the previous season which shows they are only getting worse. he didn't like that - ha!
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The betting part is the best. Unsurprisingly, the fanbase that can’t comprehend the salary cap also fails to understand probability.

The more people who bet on an outcome means the less the betting house will or can pay out, ie: better odds (1:5 instead of 1:10) in favour of the house, so they cut their losses.

This isn’t hard.
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Once again, it's draft day... and the danger of this thread dropping to the second page...

Stay vigilant.
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