Brad Treliving needs to go

[BoLevi]

If you are the GM and your team is terrible, it is your responsibility not questions asked.

If you are a GM and your team is good, it is your responsibility no questions asked.

That's how responsibility works.

[Vinny01]

I have said it before. The top players of this team sway the fan based opinion of Treliving.

Last year Tkachuk had his worst season and Johnny was good but not elite and that is all we heard from the anti Treliving crowd. This team doesn’t have enough elite talent, they just aren’t good enough. Low and behold when Johnny and Tkachuk are at the top of their game this team is a contender. 2019 when Johnny scores 99 this team was a 50 win 107pt top team. He shatters that this year and they are a 110pt (and counting) team.

When the top players on this team are top players in the league this is a top team. Many posters on this team did not believe in our players and those guys are either quiet now or pretend like they didn’t make those comments in the past

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have said it before. The top players of this team sway the fan based opinion of Treliving.

Last year Tkachuk had his worst season and Johnny was good but not elite and that is all we heard from the anti Treliving crowd. This team doesn’t have enough elite talent, they just aren’t good enough. Low and behold when Johnny and Tkachuk are at the top of their game this team is a contender. 2019 when Johnny scores 99 this team was a 50 win 107pt top team. He shatters that this year and they are a 110pt (and counting) team.

When the top players on this team are top players in the league this is a top team. Many posters on this team did not believe in our players and those guys are either quiet now or pretend like they didn’t make those comments in the past

The success of the players is also directly attributable to coaching.

Also, all you can do is assess something the way it is playing out at the time, no one can see the future. These players weren't great last year. Its not about belief, its about observation.

People should enjoy the success the team is now having. I'm glad Treliving finally made the right call on coaching, because obviously it had a huge impact. I was critical of him for years about it -- but now its solved. Many people thought Ward was a good enough coach, but whatever, they saw other problems occurring at the time. Calling people out now is just pointless.

As long as the team is winning I'm a happy camper. If the Flames go deep or win a cup give Treliving a lifetime achievement award, and I'll happily take back any criticism I've ever had for him. I've been saying it for years -- its all about results.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Pretty much yes. If they win a cup and Johnny leaves and Tkachuk signs a one year deal and leaves the next season then he can hang his hat on the cup much like in 1989 when Hull was traded for Ramage as it was worth it to win a Stanley Cup. If they get eliminated early in the playoffs and the same thing happens it's kind of a disaster scenario for the team. It's pretty obvious that all the offseason moves he made were ones that Darryl Sutter had a hand in.

The reality here is that this season has shown us that Brad Treliving did assemble a decent team over his tenure and unfortunately he wasted that on poor coaching hires.

Really we should be focussing on a great season but some people can't help themselves and bump this thread to say "some badly aged posts in here" but that goes both ways as it will get bumped if they get eliminated in the fist round. Bottom line is whether you bump it now or after playoff disappointment you are both one in the same trying to create division in the forum so I suggest posters all take the high road and move on to enjoy the rest of this season.

Think there's plenty of bumping blame to go around on this sucker.

So tiring.

[Bingo]

Wasn't there a Sutter quote this year talking about how Treliving approached him and he said no?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Pretty much yes. If they win a cup and Johnny leaves and Tkachuk signs a one year deal and leaves the next season then he can hang his hat on the cup much like in 1989 when Hull was traded for Ramage as it was worth it to win a Stanley Cup. If they get eliminated early in the playoffs and the same thing happens it's kind of a disaster scenario for the team. It's pretty obvious that all the offseason moves he made were ones that Darryl Sutter had a hand in.

The reality here is that this season has shown us that Brad Treliving did assemble a decent team over his tenure and unfortunately he wasted that on poor coaching hires.

Really we should be focussing on a great season but some people can't help themselves and bump this thread to say "some badly aged posts in here" but that goes both ways as it will get bumped if they get eliminated in the fist round. Bottom line is whether you bump it now or after playoff disappointment you are both one in the same trying to create division in the forum so I suggest posters all take the high road and move on to enjoy the rest of this season.

Well if you originally tempered some of your 'hot takes' maybe you wouldn't find yourself in this situation.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Everyone should be fired even if they win a Stanley Cup. I live for drama.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The reality here is that this season has shown us that Brad Treliving did assemble a decent team over his tenure and unfortunately he wasted that on poor coaching hires.

It's not a decent team if it still can't win a playoff round. Let's see that happen before declaring the season a success.

I mean, it's nice to win the the division, but have people looked at our division this year? It's not exactly cream of the league, we've pretty much been the one bright spot in Pacific.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Wasn't there a Sutter quote this year talking about how Treliving approached him and he said no?

I believe Friedman has said that the Flames have been in contact with Sutter since Peters was dismissed.

[keenan87]

So, there was no plan B? Can't get Sutter so let's continue with dumpster diving for coaches?

I am okay to admit being wrong. However, this off-season is important and I want to see how it plays out. For all we know, the Flames get swept in the first round and Gaudreau leaves in FA. The opposite can happen and I would be fine to admit I have been wrong at that time.

[GioforPM]

The thing about “wait until JG and MT re-sign and then we’ll judge” is it ignores that, had Treliving signed those players for longer, at higher AAV, you wouldn’t have had, say, Markstrom or Tanev, Toffoli, Coleman, etc.

As for Plan B without Sutter, who’s to say? The evidence is that they got the best coach available. Who else was around at the time Ward was re-hired and Sutter said no?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The thing about “wait until JG and MT re-sign and then we’ll judge” is it ignores that, had Treliving signed those players for longer, at higher AAV, you wouldn’t have had, say, Markstrom or Tanev, Toffoli, Coleman, etc.

As for Plan B without Sutter, who’s to say? The evidence is that they got the best coach available. Who else was around at the time Ward was re-hired and Sutter said no?

I also think that we need to come to grips with the notion that Calgary may not be a preferred destination for higher end coaches.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Itse

It's not a decent team if it still can't win a playoff round. Let's see that happen before declaring the season a success.

I mean, it's nice to win the the division, but have people looked at our division this year? It's not exactly cream of the league, we've pretty much been the one bright spot in Pacific.

That's working pretty hard to play down a division win.

The Flames are 5th overall in the standings in a league with four divisions. This isn't winning the Norris Division in 1985.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by keenan87

So, there was no plan B? Can't get Sutter so let's continue with dumpster diving for coaches?

I am okay to admit being wrong. However, this off-season is important and I want to see how it plays out. For all we know, the Flames get swept in the first round and Gaudreau leaves in FA. The opposite can happen and I would be fine to admit I have been wrong at that time.

I've always felt the timing of the Ward hiring (so delayed) was around being the third choice behind Sutter and Laviolette.

The Flames named Ward the next day after Laviolette went to Washington.

Whether people want to admit it or not it's not just pick a great coach and boom he appears in Calgary. Guessing more than a few have taken other opportunities instead.

They finally found a legend from Alberta to make it work.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I also think that we need to come to grips with the notion that Calgary may not be a preferred destination for higher end coaches.

Also, gauging success of a GM based on a particular player re-signed or a particular trade being accomplished doesn’t seem fair. Hypothetically Treliving could make the best dollar offer to Gaudreau and still get rejected for other reasons (I said hypothetically folks). Several people judged him a failure because he didn’t trade for Eichel or Stone at the time. All of those things are dependant on third parties agreeing.

The only fair way to judge is overall success over time in whatever area you are looking at - signings, trades, coaches, etc.

[Enoch Root]

Exactly. Hanging his tenure on a decision that Gaudreau makes is ridiculous.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by keenan87

So, there was no plan B? Can't get Sutter so let's continue with dumpster diving for coaches?

I am okay to admit being wrong. However, this off-season is important and I want to see how it plays out. For all we know, the Flames get swept in the first round and Gaudreau leaves in FA. The opposite can happen and I would be fine to admit I have been wrong at that time.

Well that’s a pretty simplistic uninformed view of what happened.

First of all once Peters was gone, didn’t the Flames win seven in a row and, essentially, turn their season around? Who knows where they would end up had the pandemic not hit. From what I recall the players liked Ward. He was also likely a cheap option. Let’s also not forget after they lost to Dallas there was 3-4 weeks before they gave Ward the job and removed ‘interim’. How do you know what conversations were had regarding the coaching position? To pass it off as ‘dumpster diving’ is a pretty lame take. How do you know whether or not the Flames made an offer to Sutter, or any other coach for that matter? 3-4 weeks is a long time to go silent on the matter. I doubt Ward was their first choice but he may have been the easy one and it’s likely that decision was weighed in on by more than Treliving.

The Flames knew they wanted Sutter. For all we know Sutter said he was interested and wanted some more time. None of us know what conversations were had do to pretend like we know is ridiculous.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Treliving gets full marks. Sutter wanted to retire, just sit at home and watch hockey? Tre hires coaches that were so bad, a frustrated Darryl couldn’t sit around and watch it any more. Tre played the long game, irritated him in to coming on board.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Itse

It's not a decent team if it still can't win a playoff round. Let's see that happen before declaring the season a success.

I mean, it's nice to win the the division, but have people looked at our division this year? It's not exactly cream of the league, we've pretty much been the one bright spot in Pacific.

Meanwhile the Flames have owned the east, but it's totally their division

[Robbob]

I would trade winning a cup for Gaudreau walking after this season.