Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[neo45]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Conservatives obsess about how much the CBC costs and everything it does but refuse to watch it or consume it in any way and get their money’s worth because they’re afraid of the coded Liberal socialist indoctrination buried in the Great Canadian Baking Show.

Sure, it’s “Bread Week,” but what it really is is a covert Liberal manipulation doorway to accepting communist bread lines. DEFUND THE CBC.

The CBC’s ratings are so bad that it can’t be blamed on Conservatives.

Maybe - and just hear me out on this - they do a bad job and aren’t worth the insane cost? Maybe they should try to survive on the 30% they are able to actual generate

Maybe the bread show just isn’t that interesting to people and they don’t like paying for it

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by neo45

The CBC’s ratings are so bad that it can’t be blamed on Conservatives.

Maybe - and just hear me out on this - they do a bad job and aren’t worth the insane cost? Maybe they should try to survive on the 30% they are able to actual generate

Maybe the bread show just isn’t that interesting to people and they don’t like paying for it

Because we all know Canadian (and especially Albertan) conservatives are suuuuper against corporate welfare. lol

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Weitz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1648135878454177794

I have to admit this is kind of funny. It's also a little rich coming from him given how he built his empire largely on government handouts.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Regardless of what you think about the CBC - I personally find them to be annoyingly partisan in favour of the LPC regardless of who is in office - this is really stupid politics by PP and company. What on Earth are they doing? You don't need to latch on to every story that pops up. The narrative, what, a week ago was essentially "is Justin Trudeau trying to cover up Chinese interference in our elections? He and his entire party should be investigated", to now "the CBC is mean to us, waaaah." It's just... the CPC can never get out of its own way, and certainly PP can't, as he now looks even more like a wingnut convoy-aligned conspiracy theorist, if anyone was starting to forget that.

This is the kind of thing that I expected when I said that by the time an election rolls around, basically everyone will actively dislike him even if they don't know him yet, and he will lose.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Regardless of what you think about the CBC - I personally find them to be annoyingly partisan in favour of the LPC regardless of who is in office - this is really stupid politics by PP and company. What on Earth are they doing? You don't need to latch on to every story that pops up. The narrative, what, a week ago was essentially "is Justin Trudeau trying to cover up Chinese interference in our elections? He and his entire party should be investigated", to now "the CBC is mean to us, waaaah." It's just... the CPC can never get out of its own way, and certainly PP can't, as he now looks even more like a wingnut convoy-aligned conspiracy theorist, if anyone was starting to forget that.

This is the kind of thing that I expected when I said that by the time an election rolls around, basically everyone will actively dislike him even if they don't know him yet, and he will lose.

PP's role has always been an attack dog. If there is a bone to grab, he's going to be all over it. He knows no other way.

[The Fisher Account]

Always remember, whenever Conservatives complain, they are really just projecting:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1647990360394592256

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Oh damn bro, you know the SEX number? Lucky!

The CBC is still playing reruns of Mr.D. Don’t lie and tell me that’s not right up your alley.

Don't pick on Mr D

Spoiler!

Spoiler!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

PP's role has always been an attack dog. If there is a bone to grab, he's going to be all over it. He knows no other way.

I actually think if they were smart, the CPC would operate on the assumption that there will be no election until 2025, use PP as an attack dog for the next 8-10 months or so to just drag everyone into the mud as far as he can and then resign, giving way to XYZ, where XYZ is a placeholder for someone actually electable who doesn't come across like a complete dink and in comparison actually seems like a decent human. Then campaign for a year under that fresh banner.

Of course, the CPC are not smart. I am also not sure if they are capable of finding anyone actually electable to play the role of XYZ.

[PeteMoss]

That would be smart and probably a winning strategy.

More likely is PP will try to swing back to the centre during the campaign, act like a normal guy and hope everyone has amnesia about everything that happened pre-campaign.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

PP's role has always been an attack dog. If there is a bone to grab, he's going to be all over it. He knows no other way.

Who'd have thought the bone he'd be grabbing would be that of Elon Musk?

neo45: That's a pee-pee joke about PP if you didn’t get it.

[Yamer]

Schitt's Creek alone was worth any funding in the last decade. It is, legitimately, one of the best sitcoms I've ever watched.

[Fuzz]

The only people who can't see value in the CBC are the ones who should definitely be using it as a resource.

[Ozy_Flame]

CBC podcasts are fantastic. West of Centre (an Alberta-based CBC podcast about Alberta politics) might just be one of the best political discussions available online outside of the Strategists.

Personally I love CBC content. Not everything is a hit, but there's enough in TV, radio, podcasting, and even unconventional offerings like MAJ, Mauril and Rad that sates my palette for interesting and compelling media.

I see nothing even close from any other national Canadian media provider.

[Fuzzy14]

I think the biased nature of the CBC's coverage is more complex than simply the Board of Directors getting instructions from their political masters and pressuring downwards to control the tone and positioning of the coverage. That seems to be the dominant rhetoric from the right and I think it's too shallow of an analysis.

I think the problem is institutional and has a lot more to do with the way they hire. If all you ever hire are journalists, producers and editors of the same political stripe, with the same views, it's pretty easy for the coverage to become highly reflective of the ideological predispositions of the people responsible for producing it. I think this echo chamber issue is far more likely than some sort of top-down liberal ploy to control the broadcasts.

[Fuzzy14]

CBC podcasts are fantastic. West of Centre (an Alberta-based CBC podcast about Alberta politics) might just be one of the best political discussions available online outside of the Strategists.

Personally I love CBC content. Not everything is a hit, but there's enough in TV, radio, podcasting, and even unconventional offerings like MAJ, Mauril and Rad that sates my palette for interesting and compelling media.

I see nothing even close from any other national Canadian media provider.

+1 for West of Center. They had a great interview once with Joe Clark that I found quite enlightening. Some really good discussion in that interview about how Canadians from different regions hate on each other all the time without actually having any substantive knowledge about their fellow canadians. Prime example being how much vitriol is exchanged between Albertans and Quebecers despite 1) neither party knowing as much about the other's realities than they think they do, and 2) the provinces and their populations being more similar than different in their priorities.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy14

I think the biased nature of the CBC's coverage is more complex than simply the Board of Directors getting instructions from their political masters and pressuring downwards to control the tone and positioning of the coverage. That seems to be the dominant rhetoric from the right and I think it's too shallow of an analysis.

I think the problem is institutional and has a lot more to do with the way they hire. If all you ever hire are journalists, producers and editors of the same political stripe, with the same views, it's pretty easy for the coverage to become highly reflective of the ideological predispositions of the people responsible for producing it. I think this echo chamber issue is far more likely than some sort of top-down liberal ploy to control the broadcasts.

Some of that may be true, but I think the issue is more related to Canada as a society. The majority of Canadians sit left of centre, and vote that way. So I don't think it is unexpected that their content tends to lean toward the majority of Canadians. It's that the CBC reflects our society, not that they are off to the left. Conservatives tend to be upset that it doesn't necessarily represent their voice(and the CBC could do better on this), but the reality is it is because they are further from the norm than the average Canadian, so it's no surprise they don't find alignment. If the CBC catered, say, 50/50, it would be less representative of Canada.



I also imagine there is a challenge to find Conservative voices that aren't totally nuts these days. If you want someone on air to represent the modern CBC (or worse, UCP) they are going to come across as pretty out there, because that is what those parties are these days.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy14

I think the biased nature of the CBC's coverage is more complex than simply the Board of Directors getting instructions from their political masters and pressuring downwards to control the tone and positioning of the coverage. That seems to be the dominant rhetoric from the right and I think it's too shallow of an analysis.

I think the problem is institutional and has a lot more to do with the way they hire. If all you ever hire are journalists, producers and editors of the same political stripe, with the same views, it's pretty easy for the coverage to become highly reflective of the ideological predispositions of the people responsible for producing it. I think this echo chamber issue is far more likely than some sort of top-down liberal ploy to control the broadcasts.

The nature of our population is also biased to left of centre so it really does make sense that our national broadcaster does the same.

[Cappy]

Is there anything in CBC's hiring practices that would suggest they purposefully pick journalists, producers, etc. from a particular political stripe?

On the whole, the CBC debate is practically played out in every democratic country with a state-funded broadcaster. BBC is constantly attacked by Conservatives for being labour party shills. It's all pretty asinine on the surface

[JohnnyB]

I find the CBC's bias to just be towards folksy Canadiana. The only real political agenda I see is one of promoting a unified Canadian identity. That's not about one political party over another. It's about making Canadians feel more connected to other Canadians and more united. Does that make for some unexciting programming? Yes, but a lot of Canada is pretty unexciting. Does it pull people towards the centre? Yes, but the centre is where people can be most unified. It's just doing what it's supposed to do, and fulfilling an important role of trying to keep a widely dispersed population tied together culturally without being offensive to anyone. Across a broad range of programming, it's doing a pretty good job.

[Ozy_Flame]

PP: Liberal Propaganda! Shut down the CBC! Help, Elon, you're our only hope!

CBC: Trudeau family vacationed with wealthy friends who donated to Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation

CBC: Trudeau's Jamaica vacation shows 'lack of judgment,' opposition leaders say


Opposition leaders slammed what they called Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's "lack of judgment" Tuesday after it was revealed he spent his Christmas vacation at the Jamaica home of a wealthy donor to the Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation.

Radio-Canada reported that Trudeau vacationed at Prospect, a "luxurious estate" with seaside villas owned by the Green family. Alexander and Andrew Green made a large donation to the foundation in 2021 to establish a scholarship in memory of their mother.

The Jamaica trip cost taxpayers roughly $160,000 because of travel-related security and personnel costs. The French-language arm of the CBC said some staff were also put up at a nearby all-inclusive resort, which cost the federal treasury.