Brad Treliving needs to go

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Scorch

I don’t think Sutter was a Treliving hire

he was, wanted to hire him before too but Sutter wasn't ready to come back to coaching

[AC]

Originally Posted by dino7c

he was, wanted to hire him before too but Sutter wasn't ready to come back to coaching

Yeah, I recall this being reported after the Sutter hiring. He was approached the summer before but wasn't ready for whatever reason.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by AC

Yeah, I recall this being reported after the Sutter hiring. He was approached the summer before but wasn't ready for whatever reason.

If I recall correctly, he didn't like the goaltending situation, and became much more open to the possibility of returning after Markstrom was signed

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Second best regular season in franchise history...some badly aged posts in here

Nah. This season is all Darryl Sutter. Depending on what happens in the offseason things could change drastically for the worse unless Treliving can work some magic. If he can then I would admit to being wrong.

[JohnnyB]

Although I didn't like the Bennett trade, Treliving's strength was always his moves and contracts with player personnel. His weakness was the terrible coaching hires. Bringing Sutter in has saved his job by actually getting the most out of his moves with players. Sutter has filled the big gap at the middle of the puzzle and makes every other piece fit together, including Treliving, whose job he has no doubt made much more secure in doing so.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Second best regular season in franchise history...some badly aged posts in here

Such a short-sighted post. Nothing has changed. Results from a single season do not determine whether an executive is worth their salt. Ask Marc Bergevin and Candadiens fans. Treliving's worth will be determined by what happens with contracts before the end of June and the subsequent moves required to keep a competitive team together.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Nah. This season is all Darryl Sutter. Depending on what happens in the offseason things could change drastically for the worse unless Treliving can work some magic. If he can then I would admit to being wrong.

This seems rather arbitrary. Only after this offseason we’ll be able to pass judgment on Treliving?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Such a short-sighted post. Nothing has changed. Results from a single season do not determine whether an executive is worth their salt. Ask Marc Bergevin and Candadiens fans. Treliving's worth will be determined by what happens with contracts before the end of June and the subsequent moves required to keep a competitive team together.

Your straw man is showing.

Let’s not pretend there won’t be a litany of reasons why people will complain endlessly about Treliving well beyond this offseason. It’s as plain as day. In about three years people will be cursing Treliving for trading so many picks in 2022. If Gaudreau settles in as a point per game player then Treliving will have signed him for too much or too long. Tkachuk’s extension should have been max term. Why is Treliving allowing Lindholm to enter his final year without an extension?

[Bingo]

Sigh ... tired of this topic on both sides.

Guy that has two division titles with two different coaches gets a little credit guys. Silly to suggest otherwise.

And that's not taking anything away from Sutter, whose been amazing.

[1qqaaz]

I advocated for Treliving being fired because I hated the Tkachuk contract. The $9 million qualifying offer requirement seemed steep at the time.

Now it looks like that price wouldn't be steep at all. I'm still worried about Tkachuk potentially becoming a UFA in a year, but that seems less likely now.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Flames have terrific season, Treliving gets no credit. But he’ll take all the blame if the off season doesn’t go the way I want?

Tough crowd.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Flames have terrific season, Treliving gets no credit. But he’ll take all the blame if the off season doesn’t go the way I want?

Tough crowd.

Well he didn't get Eichel, leading to a decade of dominance by the Golden Knights...

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Flames have terrific season, Treliving gets no credit. But he’ll take all the blame if the off season doesn’t go the way I want?

Tough crowd.

Pretty much yes. If they win a cup and Johnny leaves and Tkachuk signs a one year deal and leaves the next season then he can hang his hat on the cup much like in 1989 when Hull was traded for Ramage as it was worth it to win a Stanley Cup. If they get eliminated early in the playoffs and the same thing happens it's kind of a disaster scenario for the team. It's pretty obvious that all the offseason moves he made were ones that Darryl Sutter had a hand in.

The reality here is that this season has shown us that Brad Treliving did assemble a decent team over his tenure and unfortunately he wasted that on poor coaching hires.

Really we should be focussing on a great season but some people can't help themselves and bump this thread to say "some badly aged posts in here" but that goes both ways as it will get bumped if they get eliminated in the fist round. Bottom line is whether you bump it now or after playoff disappointment you are both one in the same trying to create division in the forum so I suggest posters all take the high road and move on to enjoy the rest of this season.

[Vinny01]

There used to be 30 teams or less competing for 6 division titles but now we have 32 teams competing for 4 titles and the Flames have won the last 2 82 game season Pacific Division titles.

I wasn’t a fan of the summer moves and the lack of major seismic changes outside of losing Gio for nothing. Using hindsight some excellent moves were made. The big pairing of Zadorov and Gudbransen have been a perfect fit. Coleman is a key add to the middle 6, and the in season adds of Toffoli and Jarnkrok have been nice fits.

Still his career defining trade shines brighter than ever this season. Lindholm is a 41 goal 81pt player who should win the selke. Lindy has been incredible his entire 4 years here but he has elevated his play to becoming a no questions asked legit top center which is such a hard piece to pickup in a trade. Hanifin has also arrived. After being a sold second pairing guy in his first 2 years he took the step as a very solid shutdown guy with Tanev last year to an all situations top pairing Dman who has 10 goals and 48pts this year. Brilliant trade with incredible contracts that still have 2 more years left each.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I’m trying to create division in the forum? Lol okay.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I’m trying to create division on the forum?

No but I left a clue to whom I was pointing at. Anyway I'm out of this thread. This isn't the time for this discussion as it's time to be positive.

[Strange Brew]

I'm still not entirely sold on Treliving and I'm not nearly as certain about how the Sutter situation played out as some of you.

But this is his team and he deserves the credit for where they are right now.

Whether or not it was a plan to have so many key players play through their contract years without a new deal, it has certainly paid dividends.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

No but I left a clue to whom I was pointing at. Anyway I'm out of this thread. This isn't the time for this discussion as it's time to be positive.

Sorry, you quoted me so I assumed you were talking about me. I agree about being positive, it’s been a great season and there’s lots of credit to go around. Fun team to watch this year.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Pretty much yes. If they win a cup and Johnny leaves and Tkachuk signs a one year deal and leaves the next season then he can hang his hat on the cup much like in 1989 when Hull was traded for Ramage as it was worth it to win a Stanley Cup. If they get eliminated early in the playoffs and the same thing happens it's kind of a disaster scenario for the team. It's pretty obvious that all the offseason moves he made were ones that Darryl Sutter had a hand in.

Well, duh. But isn't this just what a good GM is doing? Is this supposed to be some sort of detracting from the quality of Treliving's off season work? And let's be clear, here about what we mean by "had a hand in"—if you are suggesting (and I think you are) that Sutter gave Treliving a shopping list of players to pick up, then I would disagree. Rather, I think it is clear that Treliving and Sutter have a singular vision of how to build this team, what it is, and how they will win. Sutter's contribution to the Flames's success this season is obvious, but then attempting to leverage that to detracting from Treliving's work in building this team is lame.

Two Division titles in four years. Treliving deserves credit for that, and the lengths to which some of you continue to go to begrudge him that is just petty and sad.

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[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Sigh ... tired of this topic on both sides.

Guy that has two division titles with two different coaches gets a little credit guys. Silly to suggest otherwise.

And that's not taking anything away from Sutter, whose been amazing.

I agree with you, this topic usually just results in endless bickering, which I have been a part of as well.

I give Treliving credit, for getting the players his coach wanted/needed. I still think that Tre had a much different off-season in mind and bigger changes after last year. At least that’s what he outlined at the end of last season.

The whole expansion draft situation was either genius or border line disastrous, depending on how the team viewed Kylington internally. Finally, we’ll never know who really insisted on bringing Sutter back, but a good manager delegates, and relies on his people’s opinions, so he gets at least half the credit in my book.