American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Read your post again.

It would be good if the money was being transferred to the states to take up those programs. But that isn't happening, therefore the cuts are....?

Fighting the good fight against Bad Hombres (Obama) brown people (also Obama) Deep State (Obama again) Health Care (damn you Obama!)

Plus, in no particular order-
the environment
arts
diplomacy
decency
Pretty much anything good that's not profit for someone in the cabinet it seems...



Also, Lock her up!

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Read your post again.

It would be good if the money was being transferred to the states to take up those programs. But that isn't happening, therefore the cuts are....?

Also certain programs have economies of scale. State level negotiations for things like healthcare may end up with some very unequal results. Single payer is the way to go to minimize costs in the States. Unfortunately that takes a lot of money out of some corporate donor pockets which means, while it is in the best interests of 95% of the people, it will never fly.

[sureLoss]

[Looch City]

Fake statement. Sad!

[FlamesAddiction]

It looks like Obama got to them first. He is probably wiretapping every senator through their small kitchen appliances and extorting them to say what he wants them to say.

[DuffMan]

Trump tower microwaves are wire tapped

[ernie]

Of course it's fake news...Everyone wants to watch Trump and be Trump! There is no way they weren't watching him!

[mrdonkey]

Fake news perpetuated by bad (or sick) guy!

[direwolf]

Incoming Trump Twitter meltdown in 3...2...1...

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Someone correct my memory if it's bad, but during the campaign, didn't Trump talk about reducing military presence in areas where he felt they weren't needed, i.e. Japan?

If my memory is right, it now seems odd the only area where he's increasing funding is military. I'm going to just jump to the conclusion, he's planning something nefarious.

[Flash Walken]

I would be surprised if Trump could accurately explain the cost breakdown of his budget.

Much of this is a republican wet dream. So wet, in fact, that it appears to be waking some of them up.

[FlameOn]

His exact statement isn't far off:

“I watched your friend, Bret Baier, the day previous where he was talking about certain very complex sets of things happening, and wiretapping. I said, wait a minute, there’s a lot of wiretapping being talked about. I’ve been seeing a lot of things”.

He claimed he had subsequently gathered “a lot” of evidence and “some very interesting items are coming to the forefront over the next two weeks."

i.e. I've read a lot about wiretapping, I've seen some things. I've got proofs, lots of proofs.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7632631.html

[FlameOn]

Republicare is dead on arrival, 22 house Republicans are going to vote against it

The legislation that House Speaker Paul Ryan and President Trump embraced to repeal and replace Obamacare was already being dogged by criticism from deeply conservative members in the House. But now it faces an emerging challenge: more moderate Republicans distancing themselves from the bill after the Congressional Budget Office concluded it would result in 24 million more people being uninsured than under the Affordable Care Act.

In the two days since the CBO report, two members from districts where Hillary Clinton outdid Trump last fall, Florida’s Ileana Ros-Lehtinen and and New Jersey’s Leonard Lance, have suggested they will be reluctant to back the current version of the legislation, the American Health Care Act. A third member from a liberal-leaning district, New York’s John Katko, said the CBO report left him with “serious questions that need to answered.”

Some senators are already suggesting this bill has little chance of passing in Congress’ upper chamber. But it may not get even there. An informal FiveThirtyEight count suggests two huge challenges for getting the AHCA through the House and avoiding what would be an embarrassing defeat for Republicans: spending seven years campaigning to end Obamacare and then not being able to get a bill through even one house of Congress when the party controls both houses and the presidency.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features.../?ex_cid=538fb

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I would be surprised if Trump could accurately explain the cost breakdown of his budget.

Much of this is a republican wet dream. So wet, in fact, that it appears to be waking some of them up.

Saw a guy on TV last night, forget exactly what his role is, but he said it was obvious from talking to Trump he had no clue as to what the Republican health care plan entailed. Didn't understand it at all.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by GGG

This comes from a mind set that all of these services are required, and that these services should be funded through the federal government. Take meals on wheels for example, I don't see any reason that a specific meals on wheels program would be funded by the federal government.

I presume that it has something to do with the Department of Agriculture, via the allocation of "excess" food to needy people (in this case, seniors), and the Department of Health and Human Services, via ensuring that seniors are not dying due to starvation.

In any event, why should states take on the bulk of this project and receive federal funds in order to do so? That method of funding doesn't really reduce federal involvement in any meaningful way--sure, the administration of the program might be on a state level, but the funding comes from the federal government and there will be plenty of federal involvement in ensuring that the funds are spent by the states in the manner intended.

In any event, if you are truly a "states rights" person, you would object to any transfer of federal funds to the state level and instead insist that each state should only fund those projects that it can maintain through funding sources obtained from each state's own citizens. Perhaps you support that sort of program, but, in doing so, surely you realize that your mobility options within the USA would be severely limited as a result of all states enacting such a program, as there "have not" states will far exceed the "have" states.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GGG

This comes from a mind set that all of these services are required, and that these services should be funded through the federal government. Take meals on wheels for example, I don't see any reason that a specific meals on wheels program would be funded by the federal government. This does not make sense. The federal government should not be part of deciding which direct services get funded and which don't. Give that money to the states for them do with as required.

All of the pork payments for various initiatives in the US from the federal level to direct services are being allocated at the wrong level. So for me cutting funding to meals on wheels at the federal level is the correct thing to do. Now the money saved should be transferred to the states and not spent on military funding but in general the elimination of federal funding programs which should be funded at the state or local level is a good start to unraveling the mess that is the US budget.

and then allow states to cut funding for Meals on Wheels?

[Senator Clay Davis]

The proposed Meals on Wheels cuts are obviously appalling, but those cuts are 100% DOA in the House and Senate. I'm guessing funding for stuff like MOW is one of the very few things that have bipartisan support. Republicans are not stupid enough to actually pass a budget with those cuts. Now cutting arts and public broadcasting without a doubt they'll do, but I expect Meals on Wheels will be left alone.

[RougeUnderoos]

"In regards to climate change, I think the president was fairly straightforward. We're not spending money on that anymore. We believe that to be a waste of your money".

A greedy, overweight 70-year-old man with a fake tan is making decisions on climate change based on his uneducated opinion, conspiracy theories, and personal financial wellbeing.

[troutman]

Spicey is doing his performance art press conference now. He is reading a long prepared statement and cutting off questions.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by troutman

Spicey is doing his performance art press conference now. He is reading a long prepared statement and cutting off questions.

I just wondering how his day is going.
wire taps, health care bill, muslim ban, budget.
good times.