2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Dallas hangs up unless someone named Tkachuk, Monahan, or Gaudreau is going the other way. They are not trading their star C for futures unless those futures include a top 5 prospect in the NHL.

When was the last time a trade on the scale you're talking about actually occurred? If anything my value given lines up well with other party hard superstar trades made when clubs were unhappy (I.e. Seguin 1.0, Mike Richards, jeff Carter from philly to CBj-) solid roster player (also cap dump) and three a level pieces is a very reasonable offer. Nothing else the flames could or would give. Lol @ even suggesting three guys younger and scoring more than Seguin. The stars would have to add significantly to Seguin to land one of those pieces from the flames.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

If the wild fall out of the playoff picture, would staal possibly be available, and if so, at what value?

They way deadline deals have went the past few years i feel as if a 1st is too much. Maybe 2nd and good prospect. Problem we have is that we do not have a ton of picks. Might be dealing most of our notable prospects. Team is young though and set for a few years, its not like we need players for a few more years.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

When was the last time a trade on the scale you're talking about actually occurred? If anything my value given lines up well with other party hard superstar trades made when clubs were unhappy (I.e. Seguin 1.0, Mike Richards, jeff Carter from philly to CBj-) solid roster player (also cap dump) and three a level pieces is a very reasonable offer. Nothing else the flames could or would give. Lol even suggesting three guys younger and scoring more than Seguin.

Seguin 1.0 got Loui Erickson
Richards got Wayne Simmonds and Brayden Schenn
Carter got Jakob Voracek and a 1st (Sean Coutourier)

Your value isn’t close. Valimaki is the only A-Level piece. The 1st is low, Dube might never be more than a 3rd liner, and Neal is a wildly underperforming cap dump.

Your value is closest to when Seguin was traded the first time which was before he was a superstar, and a trade roundly looked at as a failure. Even then, Boston got a player who was great in Dallas.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Simmonds had 30 points the year prior and he was 23. Solid potential, but it's not like they traded for him knowing they had a 30-30 player with edge coming along. Schenn was pure potential at the time.

[Monahammer]

Also why is dube suddenly chopped liver? Ppg in the ahl, pretty respectable numbers through 20 games in the nhl, and captained team canada last year. I am fine exchanging dube for janko or Bennett, who may be closer to Simmonds as he was. I honestly think dube is a better piece than both.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Simmonds had 30 points the year prior and he was 23. Solid potential, but it's not like they traded for him knowing they had a 30-30 player with edge coming along. Schenn was pure potential at the time.

And 40 the year before that, while being a +22. He was well known for his defensive ability and hard nosed play at that point already.

Schenn was pure potential, but #5 overall in a top heavy draft.

Richards was coming off back to back seasons of 62 and 66 points.

The value isn’t close. If you’re giving up young players and a cap dump, the young players need to hold the value. Neither Dube/Valimaki is not close to Simmonds/Schenn

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Seguin 1.0 got Loui Erickson
Richards got Wayne Simmonds and Brayden Schenn
Carter got Jakob Voracek and a 1st (Sean Coutourier)

Your value isn’t close. Valimaki is the only A-Level piece. The 1st is low, Dube might never be more than a 3rd liner, and Neal is a wildly underperforming cap dump.

Your value is closest to when Seguin was traded the first time which was before he was a superstar, and a trade roundly looked at as a failure. Even then, Boston got a player who was great in Dallas.

The post I was replying to suggested that gaudreau, Monahan, or tkachuk would need to be in the deal. I posit that my suggestion is much closer to seguins current value than that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Also why is dube suddenly chopped liver? Ppg in the ahl, pretty respectable numbers through 20 games in the nhl, and captained team canada last year. I am fine exchanging dube for janko or Bennett, who may be closer to Simmonds as he was. I honestly think dube is a better piece than both.

He’s not chopped liver, but until he does something significant in the NHL, his value is fairly low. History is littered with PPG AHLers and 2nd round picks that never amounted to much.

I’ve got as much hope as the next guy for Dube, but he’s a long way off yet.

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The post I was replying to suggested that gaudreau, Monahan, or tkachuk would need to be in the deal. I posit that my suggestion is much closer to seguins current value than that.

I would agree with you there.

Overall, I think that the level of player you’d have to give up is not worth it to the Flames, and the level of player you’d want to give up wouldn’t get it done. I don’t see a fit at all.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And 40 the year before that, while being a +22. He was well known for his defensive ability and hard nosed play at that point already.

Schenn was pure potential, but #5 overall in a top heavy draft.

Richards was coming off back to back seasons of 62 and 66 points.

The value isn’t close. If you’re giving up young players and a cap dump, the young players need to hold the value. Neither Dube/Valimaki is not close to Simmonds/Schenn

Jankowski is very close to what Simmonds was then. We can put him in the trade instead. Imo dube is a better piece though

[kukkudo]

I could see the Oilers doing a shakeup and make trade partners with the Stars.

Benn for draisaitl, Puljujärvi, 2019 first pick, 2019 second pick.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I could see the Oilers doing a shakeup and make trade partners with the Stars.

Benn for draisaitl, Puljujärvi, 2019 first pick, 2019 second pick.

I’m gonna say Benn’s NMC makes that completely impossible.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m gonna say Benn’s NMC makes that completely impossible.

Who doesn't wanna play with the best player in the league and reigning art ross winner? Hahaha

[browna]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I could see the Oilers doing a shakeup and make trade partners with the Stars.

Benn for draisaitl, Puljujärvi, 2019 first pick, 2019 second pick.

Benn or Seguin, or pretty much anyone else in the rest of the league, when asked to waive their negotiated NMC, to go to the black hole/cesspool that is Edmonton and the Oilers franchise.
No matter how bad the CEO and owner rips you, it’s preferable to wasting the next x years of your career in Edmonton, and with patience if you do ask to be moved, a better alternative than Edmonton will come up.

[Vinny01]

Big difference for Benn/Seguin and Carter/Richards is the NMC that both Stars players possess. If they are going to make franchise altering trades like this it would happen in the summer when more teams would be in the mix.

Richards got an extremely high end prospect 5th overall pick 2 years prior in Brayden Schenn, a 2nd rounder and Wayne Simmonds who was a former 2nd rounder that was 22 at the time.

Carter got a former top 10 pick and 21 year old in Voracek and a the 8th pick in the 2011 draft as well as a 3rd round pick.

It would be like the Avs trading Makar, Ott 1st, 2nd for Seguin. Buffalo sending Blues 1st, Sabre’s 1st, Nylander

Flames just don’t have those types of assets at their disposal

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Big difference for Benn/Seguin and Carter/Richards is the NMC that both Stars players pisses. If they are going to make franchise altering trades like this it would happen in the summer when more teams would be in the mix.

Richards got an extremely high end prospect 5th overall pick 2 years prior in Brayden Schenn, a 2nd rounder and Wayne Simmonds who was a former 2nd rounder that was 22 at the time.

Carter got a former top 10 pick and 21 year old in Voracek and a the 8th pick in the 2011 draft as well as a 3rd round pick.

It would be like the Avs trading Makar, Ott 1st, 2nd for Seguin. Buffalo sending Blues 1st, Sabre’s 1st, Nylander

Flames just don’t have those types of assets at their disposal

No real response except that the typo in your first sentence made me laugh. I'm immature.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It would be like... Buffalo sending Blues 1st, Sabre’s 1st, Nylander

Flames just don’t have those types of assets at their disposal

This is just a really weird one to pick.

The Sabres 2019 1st is practically the Flames 2019 1st, they are separated by two points right now.

The Blues 1st is likely the Blues 2020 1st because if it's in the top 10 it's deferred. So, pretty much the Flames 2020 1st.

And Nylander is getting close to bust territory.

Flames 2019 1st, 2020 1st and Valimaki would be a much better package than Sabres 1st, Blues 1st and Nylander. Not saying the Flames should do it, but the package you discussed is easily beatable.

[sureLoss]

Vegas 16th in waiver priority.

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Vegas claims Zykov

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

And Nylander is getting close to bust territory. .

Uhhhhh. No.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Uhhhhh. No.

Uhhhhhh. Yeah.

Many fans already think he has bust. "Close to bust territory" is a perfectly fair label for him, if not generous.

https://thehockeywriters.com/sabres-...nylander-bust/

Is Alex Nylander a Bust?

https://www.thesportster.com/hockey/...-are-they-now/

Again, it might be a little early to suggest a 2016 first-round pick is a bust, but things seem to be headed that way for Alex Nylander,

https://puckprose.com/2018/07/18/buf...tering-2018/2/

Nobody wants their prospect to become a bust. No one wants to contemplate their prospect being a bust. I’m not saying Nylander is a bust. But he’s pretty close.

https://thechargingbuffalo.net/2018/...alex-nylander/

A lot of Sabres fans have already written off Nylander as a bust and that’s just ridiculous.

When you can find hundreds of articles about whether or not he is or isn't a bust, he's close to bust territory...I'm not saying he has or will bust, but there's potential for it.

[Scroopy Noopers]

My bad, wrong player. Clearly not reading properly.

In any event. I think the term ‘bust’ is more overused than ‘generational’.