Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by moon

How would anyone know there was an issue with the translator?

Sounds like a convenient excuse by Nichuskin's camp after he interviewed poorly.

Because teams have Russian scouts who know Russian and can translate as well

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Of course he can, he's 18 years old....he's still a new dog.

And he doesn't have to flip a switch...realizing he needs to do it is probably the biggest part IMO.

Well he's 17, actually. Clearly too late for him to improve his game in any meaningful way.

Barkov is strong in traffic and protects the puck well, but he's not someone who looks for hits. I don't think that's a priority for someone who plays his style, but of course he'll have to improve on his physicality when he gets to the NHL like every player.

However, reports make it sound like the top-4 is set and it's very difficult to trade up, so I don't know how relevant Barkov is to the Flames.

[Henry Fool]

Here's the Barkov interview where the quote was from:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/the-jason-g...+-+June+20.mp3

High praise for himself:
"I can pass the puck, and keep the puck, sometimes I can shoot, and sometimes maybe score."

[flylock shox]

Sounds like a young non-goalie Kiprusoff. I like it.

[anwar]

I would do:

Nelson, niño 15th overall for 6th overall and max reinhart

That would still leave us with 3 first round picks but it'll give us two really good young players

Imagine the flames after the draft

Niño
Nelson
Knight
Domi/ shinkaruk/ lazar/ horvat @15
Zaradov/ morriesy/ morin/ hagg @22
Zykov/ Erne/ Rychel/ klimchuk @28

6 prospects of quality ... So we get quantity and quality in this draft.

It would probably put our prospect pool in the top 6

Next year we can look for our SUPERSTAR in mcdavid, reinhart, nylander

Imagine a line of. Sven - Nelson - niño Size, skill and speed

I should wake up now

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

Barkov is strong in traffic and protects the puck well, but he's not someone who looks for hits.

Sounds like another long time fan favourite (former) Calgary Flame I know.

[Commandant]

Part 4 (Picks 46-61) of the Mock Draft

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/...4-picks-46-61/

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Sounds like another long time fan favourite (former) Calgary Flame I know.

Who are you thinking of?

Barkov's game is based on reading the play and maintaining a coherent game, like you'd expect from a center like him. He's not someone who runs around. He makes plays, he breaks up plays, he backchecks, but I haven't seen him chasing hits. His size allows him to play his game very strongly without being threatened by anyone - in that sense he plays like someone who's 6'3''. He's also a few days from being a 2014 pick and has lots of potential for physical play if that's what's required in the NHL.

His comment suggests that he wants to be maybe more active in looking for physical contact, but fundamentally there's nothing about his game that he needs to change. Like with skating, it's about adding some extra sharpness.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

Who are you thinking of?

Barkov's game is based on reading the play and maintaining a coherent game, like you'd expect from a center like him. He's not someone who runs around. He makes plays, he breaks up plays, he backchecks, but I haven't seen him chasing hits. His size allows him to play his game very strongly without being threatened by anyone - in that sense he plays like someone who's 6'3''. He's also a few days from being a 2014 pick and has lots of potential for physical play if that's what's required in the NHL.

His comment suggests that he wants to be maybe more active in looking for physical contact, but fundamentally there's nothing about his game that he needs to change. Like with skating, it's about adding some extra sharpness.

Just based on that one line that I quoted, it describes Iginla.

But if Barkov back checks, then he already has a leg up.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Just based on that one line that I quoted, it describes Iginla.

But if Barkov back checks, then he already has a leg up.

One is a center and the other is a right wing. Completely different roles. The line you quoted doesn't really "describe" either of the players anyway.

That's a really random comparison. I expected you had some center in mind.

EDIT: a small Barkov interview on an Avs site. http://eurolanche.com/article.php?id=3205 Favorite team Colorado, favorite player growing up Eric Lindros, wants to improve his explosiveness.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

One is a center and the other is a right wing. Completely different roles. The line you quoted doesn't really "describe" either of the players anyway.

That's a really random comparison. I expected you had some center in mind.

EDIT: a small Barkov interview on an Avs site. http://eurolanche.com/article.php?id=3205 Favorite team Colorado, favorite player growing up Eric Lindros, wants to improve his explosiveness.

I'm confused then, because you used that line to describe Barkov, but now you are saying it doesn't describe either player? Sometimes I think you like to make arguments when there really isn't a need.


There are also many transferable skills between players of different positions that allow cross comparisons. Puck protection and hitting are important for all 4 skating positions.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'm confused then, because you used that line to describe Barkov, but now you are saying it doesn't describe either player? Sometimes I think you like to make arguments when there really isn't a need.

There are also many transferable skills between players of different positions that allow cross comparisons. Puck protection and hitting are important for all 4 skating positions.

I mean that the line doesn't give us very meaningful information on how either player approaches the game. Barkov is a playmaking two-way center, Iginla was a powerforward and is now a sniper. Saying that they don't run around looking for hits isn't much of a description, but obviously we just use the word differently. The fact that you brought up Iginla and made a reference to his poor defensive play seemed to suggest that you had some stronger point about the players rather than just noting a similarity in one aspect of their games. My mistake.

[Trailer Fire]

Question; what would it take to acquire a mid teens 1st rounder? 14 or something like that? I really, really want to pick up Domi. I think he is going to be the best player out of the draft.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

Question; what would it take to acquire a mid teens 1st rounder? 14 or something like that? I really, really want to pick up Domi. I think he is going to be the best player out of the draft.

If we wanted, we could get a pick that low somehow, maybe cammy + for the 14th or something. Think he'll be fun to watch if anything else!

[Trailer Fire]

What do you think the + would be? I'd rather not move draft picks. Mid level prospect? Depth roster player?

Cammy + Nemisz?

[loob job]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

Question; what would it take to acquire a mid teens 1st rounder? 14 or something like that? I really, really want to pick up Domi. I think he is going to be the best player out of the draft.

Glad you're not our gm then if you think he'll be the best player out of this draft.

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by loob job

Glad you're not our gm then if you think he'll be the best player out of this draft.

Fancy a gaze into your magical crystal ball to reveal to us who will be the best player?

I'll make sure I keep my opinions and ideas away from a discussion board.

Edit: screw it Ill tell you what I think anyways.

I have followed London quite closely this year. They have always been my favourite OHL team. I've seen a good amount of Domi this past year and the kid is good. Very good. By the looks of things he still has a lot of room for improvement. Which means he will only get better. Give him a couple years and I think he could be the best player from this draft.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by FakenHaken

That would be the same idea as Reinhart is only 22 he's still a new dog he can learn to pop 50 goals a year like Stamkos.

He doesn't have to flip a switch....realizing he needs to score 50 goals to make 9.5MM a year is probably the biggest part.

I think easier said then done to honest, but hey Barkov could be the next Bergeron, win faceoffs, and score timely goals. Maybe he doesn't have to play 6 3. I'm not saying he has to I'm sure he has many more talents or he wouldn't be regarded as a top 5 prospect in this draft.

Nooo...it would be a completely different idea actually. Barkov is 17 (I have been corrected)....not 22.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Nooo...it would be a completely different idea actually. Barkov is 17 (I have been corrected)....not 22.

The only person who has said that Barkov doesn't play 6'3'' is Barkov himself in an offhand remark in a radio interview. Who knows how seriously he meant that. To stretch that to mean that he needs to somehow reinvent his game is absolutely ridiculous.

To say that it's the same idea as Reinhart becoming Stamkos is a whole new level of muddled thinking even on an internet forum. Arguing about Barkov's age in this context is taking the argument far too seriously.

[loob job]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

Fancy a gaze into your magical crystal ball to reveal to us who will be the best player?

I'll make sure I keep my opinions and ideas away from a discussion board.

Edit: screw it Ill tell you what I think anyways.

I have followed London quite closely this year. They have always been my favourite OHL team. I've seen a good amount of Domi this past year and the kid is good. Very good. By the looks of things he still has a lot of room for improvement. Which means he will only get better. Give him a couple years and I think he could be the best player from this draft.

So if you were the flames gm and you had the number one pick you would take him first? Glad to see you followed one team, they're are a lot more out there with better players. But what do all those scouts know anyway.