2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

This is not a draft to pay a premium to move down a few spots. 2-12 are a crap shot IMO. Lots of excellent prospects and not much consensus what order to put them in.

Better to accumulate more picks if that’s an option. Conroy is right about that if rumours of him chasing another top 15 pick are true.

Depends who they value and what they project them to be.

There being no consensus among the media or GMs doesn’t mean anything - these people lie all the time and right now is peak lying season.

If their internal evaluations tell them Zayne Parekh (for example) is Erik Karlsson with both Achilles tendons, then I would say they should pay a good winger prospect in order to secure a decade or more of an Erik Karlsson level player.

But if they don’t have a specific player they believe will have franchise altering potential, they should probably stand pat.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I’d probably do that if it was to get Parekh, even though I do want Iginla.

If you can add someone who gets compared favourably to Erik Karlsson, I think that’s worth Matt Coronato.

You'd pay number 9 AND Coronato to move up four to six spots in this draft to get a player that might be available at 9?

Coronato's been perfectly seasoned with his time in college hockey, the AHL, where he ripped it up, and some solid NHL experience. He's primed to take a big step this coming year. He's not a throw in to move up a few spots in a draft where the top 15 could be all over the map.

Now if you mean you'd pay just Coronato for a pick in the top 5, I could see doing that.

[saillias]

Depends what you think of Coronato. There have been a lot of skepticism about him and his NHL potential. I've seen it on this forum and from the media such as Mike Gould. If a talent like Demidov has slipped to 9 I'd think about it. I don't know enough about prospects to say but Coronato so far doesn't seem like a sure thing. he could be a good player but he could also still bust.

[TheScorpion]

media such as me! that's funny to read.

I just don't love Coronato's skating. His stride is choppy and he gets knocked over a lot. If he can straighten some of that out, he'll be fine. Not necessarily a core piece though

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by saillias

Depends what you think of Coronato. There have been a lot of skepticism about him and his NHL potential. I've seen it on this forum and from the media such as Mike Gould. If a talent like Demidov has slipped to 9 I'd think about it. I don't know enough about prospects to say but Coronato so far doesn't seem like a sure thing. he could be a good player but he could also still bust.

I've seen some people here be critical of him and his 34(!) games in the NHL, but a lot of fans don't have a lot of patience for development arcs and we often prefer shiny new prospects.

I haven't seen a lot of criticism of him in the media, and he continues to be rated pretty highly as a prospect. (I just checked Mike Gould's twitter, and he's got good things to say about him: https://x.com/miketgould/status/1779576585466896867)

I see Coronato as the Calgary prospect that has the highest potential to explode. As a rookie, he had the 11th most points per game in the AHL, of players that played over 20 games, and he was the second youngest on that list behind Logan Stankoven.

He may bust, but from everything I've read and seen, he's got a fantastic shot, a strong work ethic, he's coachable and he wants to win. He's a guy a team in Calgary's position holds onto unless they're absolutely blown away.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

media such as me! that's funny to read.

I just don't love Coronato's skating. His stride is choppy and he gets knocked over a lot. If he can straighten some of that out, he'll be fine. Not necessarily a core piece though

Well now I know who you are on here!

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

You'd pay number 9 AND Coronato to move up four to six spots in this draft to get a player that might be available at 9?

Coronato's been perfectly seasoned with his time in college hockey, the AHL, where he ripped it up, and some solid NHL experience. He's primed to take a big step this coming year. He's not a throw in to move up a few spots in a draft where the top 15 could be all over the map.

Now if you mean you'd pay just Coronato for a pick in the top 5, I could see doing that.

Anyone would do Matt Coronato for the fifth overall pick - Except the team with the fifth overall pick.

If they project a player to be a franchise cornerstone who will almost certainly not be available at 9, whoever that is, Coronato seems a small price to pay to secure the player you want.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Anyone would do Matt Coronato for the fifth overall pick - Except the team with the fifth overall pick.

If they project a player to be a franchise cornerstone who will almost certainly not be available at 9, whoever that is, Coronato seems a small price to pay to secure the player you want.

Ok, so the only players we can definitely say won't be available at 9 are Celebrini and Levshunov, probably Demidov too. So I still think you are giving away a great prospect to move to a spot that you have a decent chance of getting at 9 where you already are and you keep Coronato. Let's say you move up to 5 to draft Tij, he could be still be there at 9, probably will be actually. Let's say you move up to five to draft Catton and Iginla goes around 9. Would you rather have Catton going forward or Iginla and Coronato? I don't think Catton is that good that he is worth those two.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, so the only players we can definitely say won't be available at 9 are Celebrini and Levshunov, probably Demidov too. So I still think you are giving away a great prospect to move to a spot that you have a decent chance of getting at 9 where you already are and you keep Coronato. Let's say you move up to 5 to draft Tij, he could be still be there at 9, probably will be actually. Let's say you move up to five to draft Catton and Iginla goes around 9. Would you rather have Catton going forward or Iginla and Coronato? I don't think Catton is that good that he is worth those two.

Iggy and Coronato - I’m not suggesting they trade up to take Catton at 5.

Only that if there is a player they’ve identified as a franchise cornerstone, who will almost certainly not be available at 9.

Basically, just Lindstrom and Parekh. And probably just Parekh because of Lindstrom’s back injury.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

media such as me! that's funny to read.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Only that if there is a player they’ve identified as a franchise cornerstone, who will almost certainly not be available at 9.

If anybody other than Celebrini and Demidov had been ‘identified as a franchise cornerstone’, more than one scouting staff would have noticed it and there wouldn't be all this talk about how closely grouped the next dozen prospects are.

I'd rather have Coronato and a probable top-4 D than trade Coronato to draft a probable top-4 D. I'd rather have Coronato and a probable top-6 forward than trade Coronato to draft a probable top-6 forward.

Trading up to 5 doesn't get you out of ‘probable’ to ‘sure thing’. By all accounts, there are very few sure things in this draft. The top dozen prospects should all make the NHL, barring injury, but where they top out is anyone's guess.

[Niemo]

Any bad contracts out there that are 3 years max that the teams would pay us a 1st to take on? Ones that aren’t completely useless?

Trouba?
Skinner?
Gallagher?
Elvis M.?

Rangers 1st 2024 + Trouba for Miromanov?
Elvis + 4th Overall for R. Andersson + Vladar + 3rd 2024?
Gallagher + Flames Conditional 1st + 2nd 2026 + 2nd 2025 for Mangiapane?
Skinner + 11th Overall for Kuzmenko + Solovyov

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Any bad contracts out there that are 3 years max that the teams would pay us a 1st to take on? Ones that aren’t completely useless?

Trouba?
Skinner?
Gallagher?
Elvis M.?

Rangers 1st 2024 + Trouba for Miromanov?
Elvis + 4th Overall for R. Andersson + Vladar + 3rd 2024?
Gallagher + Flames Conditional 1st + 2nd 2026 + 2nd 2025 for Mangiapane?
Skinner + 11th Overall for Kuzmenko + Solovyov

The Rangers are not trading their captain and a first rounder for Danill Miromanov a month after making it to the ECF.

Come on.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Well now I know who you are on here!

Good thing you didn't have anything bad to say....

If CP had a Mount Rushmore, Mike might just be up there!

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The Rangers are not trading their captain and a first rounder for Danill Miromanov a month after making it to the ECF.

Come on.

You might be right. I just read a bunch of hate vs Trouba after this years playoffs from their fans. Sounds like he has really sucked this year and took a few steps back to the point of buyout talk.

[FlamesAddiction]

Wrong thread.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

media such as me! that's funny to read.

I just don't love Coronato's skating. His stride is choppy and he gets knocked over a lot. If he can straighten some of that out, he'll be fine. Not necessarily a core piece though

Agreed. He is like a poor man's Zucker right now.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If anybody other than Celebrini and Demidov had been ‘identified as a franchise cornerstone’, more than one scouting staff would have noticed it and there wouldn't be all this talk about how closely grouped the next dozen prospects are.

I'd rather have Coronato and a probable top-4 D than trade Coronato to draft a probable top-4 D. I'd rather have Coronato and a probable top-6 forward than trade Coronato to draft a probable top-6 forward.

Trading up to 5 doesn't get you out of ‘probable’ to ‘sure thing’. By all accounts, there are very few sure things in this draft. The top dozen prospects should all make the NHL, barring injury, but where they top out is anyone's guess.

I really don’t get the trade Coronato chatter. NJ wanted him in the Markstrom deal and he probably would have been top 3 in the AHL in points had he played all year as a 20 year old rookie.

He’s going to play. He just needs to work on a couple things like 98% of kids his age.

You are also correct in saying there are probably 10 guys at the top after Celebrini and Dedimov that are all so close.

I’d rather keep Coronato and maybe try and get Buffalos pick so we can have two of the top 12 in the draft and Coronato to build around.

Iginla/Catton and Yakemchuk would be amazing while also having Coronato.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1804507655806857467

[Royle9]

Ugh.. more college bias towards Canadian markets!
Let me guess… NYR fan?