2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I mean I don't really think it's that ridiculous to say Garland is a very good player. Again: he profiles very similarly to Mangiapane across the board, and you'd be laughed off this board at this point if you suggested Mangiapane was merely "suited for the third line."

Kakko is a huge question mark.

Across the board? Mangi had 35 goals last year, Garland had 19. There is some serious overrating of this guy on here. His career high is 22 goals getting top line ice time and PP1 with the Coyotes. Does any GM in their right mind take Garland over Mangiapane?

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Across the board? Mangi had 35 goals last year, Garland had 19. There is some serious overrating of this guy on here. His career high is 22 goals getting top line ice time and PP1 with the Coyotes. Does any GM in their right mind take Garland over Mangiapane?

And that was Mangi not playing with the big three or top PP time.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Young cost controlled Defencemen that can play number 1-2 minutes have more value.

Yes.

[Sandman]

What would everyone think of a swap involving Hanifin to the NYR for Lundkvist and Vitaly Kravtsov? Same thing?

Kravtsov and Kakko both play RW, so they will compete for a spot in the top-6.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Across the board? Mangi had 35 goals last year, Garland had 19. There is some serious overrating of this guy on here. His career high is 22 goals getting top line ice time and PP1 with the Coyotes. Does any GM in their right mind take Garland over Mangiapane?

55 points vs 52, outstanding at both ends of the ice. You might not give up the guy you already have and like, but both players are highly skilled and absolutely in the same stratosphere.

The Flames ultimately don't have a defenceman who makes sense to move for Garland — the Canucks would probably want more than Kylington, and Hanifin is too much to give up.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

55 points vs 52, outstanding at both ends of the ice. You might not give up the guy you already have and like, but both players are highly skilled and absolutely in the same stratosphere.

The Flames ultimately don't have a defenceman who makes sense to move for Garland — the Canucks would probably want more than Kylington, and Hanifin is too much to give up.

I think to say that Garland's play at both ends of the ice is "outstanding" is overstating it a bit. He absolutely drives play, and tilts the ice in his teams favor to offence, and he's great with the puck on his stick-but without the puck, his 200-ft game lacks a bit. That's not to say that Mang plays a perfect game, but there's a reason CG was traded once, and is reportedly on the block again. Just my opinion.

You're right though, both are in the same stratosphere.

[Major Major]

I like hanifin.

Some people love prospects, drafts and pedigree.

What's funny is the people who love prospects, drafts and pedigree probably loved the hanifin acquisition. Funnier still, he has fulfilled his potential and has taken massive steps the last 2 years into a still developing top pairing dman... And the lovers of prospects, drafts and pedigree want to trade him for a new one.

Hanifin is good. I like hanifin.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

You’d also get laughed off the board if you suggested to trade Hanifin for Mangiapane.

Well ya, he’s already a Flame

[Sandman]

I don't doubt that Tre still has things brewing for another top-9 player. The media seems to think so as well. I almost never post trade proposals, but I have some thoughts:

Oliver Wahlstrom-having growing pains on the Island, as are most players currently playing there. Their D is good, but I think they are putting WAY too much faith into Romanov. IMO, they could use another offensive defenseman-perhaps there's something around Kylington+?

Brandon Tanev-Gritty as hell, like his bro. He would look great on a line with Backlund, as he's defensively responsible with a touch of offense.

Lawson Crouse-Huge, physical, good skater. Probably not feasible, and not sure what ARZ would want, probably young players, picks, and prospects. Cap would have to go the other way.

Kakko/Kravtsov-there was rumors that they might trade one of these two.

Christian Dvorak-He's in every rumour out of Montreal. Money would need to be moved, but he's a good two-way player who can play C or LW.

Scott Laughton-Tough, gritty, and physical. Kinda reminds me a bit of Glencross. There's rumours of Philly shopping him in order to get younger. He can play C or LW, and up and down the lineup. Another player that would look great with Backs, and he's affordable-3 mil/yr for the next 4 years. Fast with some skill, and defensively responsible, but can put up numbers when given the chance. Laughton-Backlund-Coleman

Maxime Comtois-Big, fast, and mean. Sutter would love this kid. He's put up offense in the past, but has had injury issues the last few years. I think he'll rebound.

Jesper Bratt: Not possible due to cap, but can you imagine him on Kadri's wing?

Alex Formenton-Sens are looking for D. He's a good all-around player, with size, speed, and some offense.

Barrett Hayton-He's had his struggles, but looked good in the second half last year. Not sure ARZ would want to part with him yet.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I like hanifin.

Some people love prospects, drafts and pedigree.

What's funny is the people who love prospects, drafts and pedigree probably loved the hanifin acquisition. Funnier still, he has fulfilled his potential and has taken massive steps the last 2 years into a still developing top pairing dman... And the lovers of prospects, drafts and pedigree want to trade him for a new one.

Hanifin is good. I like hanifin.

This is the way with hockey fans. Hockey fans are obsessed with trades and grass is greener scenarios. What other sport has dedicated trade deadline TV shows? We love shiny new things and are never satisfied with the roster of the teams we cheer for.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This is the way with hockey fans. Hockey fans are obsessed with trades and grass is greener scenarios. What other sport has dedicated trade deadline TV shows? We love shiny new things and are never satisfied with the roster of the teams we cheer for.

Which directly related to how the league operates. All major sports save maybe European football have drafts. They promote "the future" . The NHL isn't the only major team sport that love trade deadlines either. Look at baseball. The NBA I dare say has a bigger trade deadline than the NHL. Only difference is how it's reported.

Don't know why you'd be so condescending in this post. It's a part of the involvement of being a sports fan. It's promoted as such as well.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Which directly related to how the league operates. All major sports save maybe European football have drafts. They promote "the future" . The NHL isn't the only major team sport that love trade deadlines either. Look at baseball. The NBA I dare say has a bigger trade deadline than the NHL. Only difference is how it's reported.

Don't know why you'd be so condescending in this post. It's a part of the involvement of being a sports fan. It's promoted as such as well.

What was condescending about my post? Am I not right that hockey fans are obsessed with trades and shiny new things? Major Major kind if hit the nail on the head above. That's a lot of hockey fans in a nutshell.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I don't doubt that Tre still has things brewing for another top-9 player. The media seems to think so as well. I almost never post trade proposals, but I have some thoughts:

Oliver Wahlstrom-having growing pains on the Island, as are most players currently playing there. Their D is good, but I think they are putting WAY too much faith into Romanov. IMO, they could use another offensive defenseman-perhaps there's something around Kylington+?

Brandon Tanev-Gritty as hell, like his bro. He would look great on a line with Backlund, as he's defensively responsible with a touch of offense.

Lawson Crouse-Huge, physical, good skater. Probably not feasible, and not sure what ARZ would want, probably young players, picks, and prospects. Cap would have to go the other way.

Kakko/Kravtsov-there was rumors that they might trade one of these two.

Christian Dvorak-He's in every rumour out of Montreal. Money would need to be moved, but he's a good two-way player who can play C or LW.

Scott Laughton-Tough, gritty, and physical. Kinda reminds me a bit of Glencross. There's rumours of Philly shopping him in order to get younger. He can play C or LW, and up and down the lineup. Another player that would look great with Backs, and he's affordable-3 mil/yr for the next 4 years. Fast with some skill, and defensively responsible, but can put up numbers when given the chance. Laughton-Backlund-Coleman

Maxime Comtois-Big, fast, and mean. Sutter would love this kid. He's put up offense in the past, but has had injury issues the last few years. I think he'll rebound.

Jesper Bratt: Not possible due to cap, but can you imagine him on Kadri's wing?

Alex Formenton-Sens are looking for D. He's a good all-around player, with size, speed, and some offense.

Barrett Hayton-He's had his struggles, but looked good in the second half last year. Not sure ARZ would want to part with him yet.

Wahlstrom - I think the Isles will see how he does without Trotz only giving him so few minutes a game. If he was for sale for cheap then he’d be traded already. We’d have to overpay if we wanted him.

B. Tanev - I like the idea. Would be cool to have brothers playing on a team. Would be tough to fit him in though, and not sure I want to have his contract past this season with only 10m in cap space for next season. Would rather have that wiggle room for Weegar.

Crouse - just gets paid too much. We have Lucic. Lucic would have to go the other way, but again, I want that cap for Weegar.

Rangers wingers - I think the Rangers are going to use one of those guys to acquire a top end forward at the deadline, likely Patrick Kane. And they’ll need the other for cap-related purposes.

Dvorak - I wouldn’t mind him. I just find him redundant and not a need since we have Kadri in the fold now.

Laughton - I dig this guy. Would be a good third liner with Backlund and Coleman. Could play center when one of the centers go down.

Comtois - Probably the most intriguing of the list. But also a similar situation as Wahlstrom in terms of seeing what he could do with more minutes. Maybe not the case for Comtois, I think he just needs a change of scenery. Would he be able to make it in the middle 6 though?

Bratt - it really depends on what NJ does this year, but if they have a down year again I’d love to get Bratt. Perfect addition to the second line with Kadri like you said. Moves Mangiapane to the first line RW spot.

Formenton- don’t even want to touch that guy with the current allegations.

Hayton - zero reason for the Coyotes to move him until he is forced out of the top 9.

[bax]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Same thing was said at the Lindholm trade. Seemed to work just fine. And yes that was technically a rebuild trade on a rebuild trade which is kind of what the Flames are doing right now as well

Lindholm was a good defensive forward who had put up 188 points in 374 games when the Flames acquired him.

Kakko has put up 58 points in 157 games and has been consistently caved in. There is a reason he was a healthy scratch in their biggest game of the playoffs last season.

Players profiling like Kakko almost never turn into a star.

Best case scenario is he develops into a solid second line player. No chance I’m trading Hanifin for him. Especially with the Flames firmly in “win now” mode.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by bax

Lindholm was a good defensive forward who had put up 188 points in 374 games when the Flames acquired him.

Kakko has put up 58 points in 157 games and has been consistently caved in. There is a reason he was a healthy scratch in their biggest game of the playoffs last season.

Players profiling like Kakko almost never turn into a star.

Best case scenario is he develops into a solid second line player. No chance I’m trading Hanifin for him.

Hanifin and Fox together would be infuriating.

[dustygoon]

Trade rumour thread or the trade Hanifin thread? I think I'm in the wrong place.

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, trying to compare Kakko to Lindholm is quite the stretch. Lindholm was very much an established player who was going to immediately boost the top 6. He wasn't yet the player he is now (wait: can players continue to develop after YEARS in the NHL?), but he was a solid top 6 player. By no means can acquiring him be called a rebuild.

Kakko is a rebuild trade for a guy who's progression to date leans very strongly towards never achieving his potential.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Brandon Tanev-Gritty as hell, like his bro. He would look great on a line with Backlund, as he's defensively responsible with a touch of offense.

He would be an excellent addition for the Flames. Seattle seems to be pretty smitten with him though. He has been involved a lot in their PR over the summer.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What was condescending about my post? Am I not right that hockey fans are obsessed with trades and shiny new things? Major Major kind if hit the nail on the head above. That's a lot of hockey fans in a nutshell.

I mean you described MLB and NBA fans to a tee, as well. I don't follow NFL so I can't tell you what it's like there, but yeah that's not exclusive to the NHL at all.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I like hanifin.

Some people love prospects, drafts and pedigree.

What's funny is the people who love prospects, drafts and pedigree probably loved the hanifin acquisition. Funnier still, he has fulfilled his potential and has taken massive steps the last 2 years into a still developing top pairing dman... And the lovers of prospects, drafts and pedigree want to trade him for a new one.

Hanifin is good. I like hanifin.

I like Hanifin too. My preference would be to keep him and go into the season with a stacked defense for now.

I'm just playing the "what if" game. If the Flames were to trade a defenseman, I think he is probably the one just because he would attract a lot of teams and would get a good return. Of the defenseman with good value, he is probably more expendable.

Tavev - His unique talents and leadership make him almost untouchable.

Weegar - Could possibly be the team's best defenseman and can play on the right side. New addition and unlikely to be traded.

Andersson - Maybe the closest to Hanifin, but I just like him better personally and he plays the right side.

Zadorov - Newly resigned and probably limited trade value.

Kylington - Probably has decent trade value, but not as much as Hanifin.

I am definitely not itching to trade Hanifin, but if it had to be someone and you drew a Venn diagram for trade value vs. tradability, he is probably the one the has the most area in the optimal middle ground.