2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Jason14h]

Jeff Carter ?

[TheScorpion]

Jeff Carter makes a degree of sense, although I'd rather look at a guy like Eric Staal who could be controlled for cheaper after this year. But they're both pretty old. I'd sooner consider a guy like Alex Wennberg.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I agreed with you until these points:

And that is more than fair. We're all allowed to have our opinions.

a) I don't want to move either of Bennett or Janko but if I had to pick it would be to keep Bennett. I hope both are here long term and if need be I'd move Mangiapane before either.

You'll notice I said I would prefer that we stand pat at forward. But if we were pushed into moving a forward I would prefer that we move Bennett. Frankly I don't get the Bennett love. He gets plenty of playing time and generates very little. That is a problem if we are concerned about "needing" another scorer. Means we need to add something to that line that was already there up to last season. The second line has been much more dangerous with Frolik on it than Bennett. Outside of his rookie season, Bennett hasn't been a consistent player.

b) We need another forward. Peters has dressed 11 forwards consistently when they are all healthy and has been rotating Czarnik, Dube, Mangiapane, Peluso, Quine and Lomberg in and out of the lineup. Another (preferably RHed) top 9 forward would go a long way to solidifying the lineup.

"Need" to what extent? Is the juice worth the squeeze? Do we weaken ourselves long term by making a deal? I've yet to figure out what exactly Peters is looking for in that extra forward. It seems he's trying to use it as a role player depending on the game, so making a trade for an extra forward is just going to shift that role player position to another individual already in the lineup.

I was on the aquire a goalie train earlier in the year but I don't have a problem rolling with Rittich as the starter and Smith as the backup.

I like Rittich, but I am concerned about his lack of experience. I have no faith in Smith to accomplish anything other than let in soft goals at inopportune times. I would be much happier if the Flames had a better option than Mike Smith. He's one of the worst goaltenders in the league, and the team would be screwed if they had to rely on him for an extended period of time. I would hate to see this year go down the tubes because of not having suitable depth at this important position.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by New Era

And that is more than fair. We're all allowed to have our opinions...

In the playoffs, in a 7 game series, we will most certainly need our depth forwards to step up and provide additional offense. I think adding to the group we have will help with this.

In regards to the Bennett and Janko argument, I think we both agree that keeping both should be the goal.

I too don't feel confident in Smith but I have a hard time seeing how the Flames could offload him, add a new guy and not disrupt the locker room chemistry. If Rittich wasn't playing amazingly I would be more inclined to make a move but he's been lights out, even if he doesn't have a long resume.

Kipper didn't have a lot of experience when he led us to the cup final. Not saying they are the same but Rittich has earned his shot and adding a different goalie to the mix might mess that up.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

In the playoffs, in a 7 game series, we will most certainly need our depth forwards to step up and provide additional offense. I think adding to the group we have will help with this.

In regards to the Bennett and Janko argument, I think we both agree that keeping both should be the goal.

I too don't feel confident in Smith but I have a hard time seeing how the Flames could offload him, add a new guy and not disrupt the locker room chemistry. If Rittich wasn't playing amazingly I would be more inclined to make a move but he's been lights out, even if he doesn't have a long resume.

Kipper didn't have a lot of experience when he led us to the cup final. Not saying they are the same but Rittich has earned his shot and adding a different goalie to the mix might mess that up.

The playoffs are where I think Neal is going to explode. He'll be like a Claude Lemieux... just my gut.

[Psytic]

Get a reliable backup like McElhinney and let Rittich run with it. No starter that is available has been as good this season so no point breaking the bank. Pickup Perron if he is willing to move so soon from the Blues. Consistent producer and was a great playmaker with Neal on Vegas. wouldn't cost as much as a centre or some other names thrown around and has chemistry with Neal. Just some minor tooling to get some depth scoring going and solidify the net with out breaking the bank.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The playoffs are where I think Neal is going to explode. He'll be like a Claude Lemieux... just my gut.

I don't necessarily disagree with you but even if that may be the case adding another forward would still help.

The latest lineup has Czarnik on the 2nd line. The lineup prior had Quine on the 3rd line.

I think we can upgrade.

Originally Posted by Psytic

Get a reliable backup like McElhinney and let Rittich run with it. No starter that is available has been as good this season so no point breaking the bank. Pickup Perron if he is willing to move so soon from the Blues. Consistent producer and was a great playmaker with Neal on Vegas. wouldn't cost as much as a centre or some other names thrown around and has chemistry with Neal. Just some minor tooling to get some depth scoring going and solidify the net with out breaking the bank.

I like the idea of this in theory.

Offloading Smith however, I don't see as being easy.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Really think a 1B center is what would push them into true contender status (of course with consistent goaltending some way or another). That would give them an elite top line, a defensively responsible third line center, a great top pairing with defensive depth. Really just need some consistent secondary scoring from the top 6 outside of Tkachuk. Bonus points if it gets Neal going.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-1B Center- Neal
Frolik-Backlund-Bennett
Jankowski-Ryan/Hathaway/Czarnik/Mangiapane

Giordano-Brodie
Hanifin-Hamonic
Stone/Valimaki/Andersson/Kylington

Goalie
(Bolded are set, the rest can swap)

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Then you’re not really seeing him, to be blunt.

As noted recently, he’s a penalty-killing machine. That’s a huge skill to have on the team.

The PK in general has been greatmof late and Janko is one ofnthe forwards used. He had a huge shorty last game but i guess i dont see it consistently enough. He is not a legit 3rd line center yet imo so if we can use him to upgrade i would be open to it. Certainly not hating or pushing him out the door

[Mr.Coffee]

If you want a third version of an expensive falling star after Brouwer and Neal then yeah, Carter makes a ton of sense.

Personally I think there are better pick ups out there though.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If you want a third version of an expensive falling star after Brouwer and Neal then yeah, Carter makes a ton of sense.

Personally I think there are better pick ups out there though.

I agree, if we are targeting someone for a team boost I would target someone other than Carter.

Preferably a 2c or strong 3c. Schenn or Staal would be awesome. A 3rd line LW would also be good, someone with wheels maybe like Burakovsky(in the same mold, doubt we have something the caps would want as they like us are in win now mode). A good 2G like Lehner to replace Smith would be great.

Our farm is going to take a significant hit i believe as Brad will be going big game hunting.

[Monahammer]

I know we'd be in all sorts of cap hell but could now be the time to make a huge play for tyler Seguin? With him i think our top 6 is right there with Tampa as best in the league.
Dillon dube+Juuso valimaki+ 1st 2019+James neal (contract)

3 huge assets to build around, gives Dallas another finish stud to lock in their future top pairing. Dube has immense talent. Neal could turn it around for a familiar team and familiar coach

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Seguin-Bennett
Frolik-Backlund-Jankowski
Hathaway-ryan-mangiapane

Then in the offseason we would need to jettison frolik and stone to accommodate tkachuk and rittich resigning along with seguins extension.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I know we'd be in all sorts of cap hell but could now be the time to make a huge play for tyler Seguin? With him i think our top 6 is right there with Tampa as best in the league.
Dillon dube+Juuso valimaki+ 1st 2019+James neal (contract)

3 huge assets to build around, gives Dallas another finish stud to lock in their future top pairing. Dube has immense talent. Neal could turn it around for a familiar team and familiar coach

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Seguin-Bennett
Frolik-Backlund-Jankowski
Hathaway-ryan-mangiapane

Then in the offseason we would need to jettison frolik and stone to accommodate tkachuk and rittich resigning along with seguins extension.

If I'm Dallas, I hang up immediately, even if you add a 2020 1st.
Neal more than cancels out the 2019 1st IMO (I'll probably be trashed for having this view so early in the contract). Especially for a cap-conscious team like Dallas.

Tyler Seguin is worth way more than Dube and Valimaki. I doubt Dallas makes a deal like this unless one of the Flames point per game players come back to them.
Obviously the Flames wouldn't do this, so this trade doesn't seem possible to me.

[FranksandBean]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Really think a 1B center is what would push them into true contender status (of course with consistent goaltending some way or another). That would give them an elite top line, a defensively responsible third line center, a great top pairing with defensive depth. Really just need some consistent secondary scoring from the top 6 outside of Tkachuk. Bonus points if it gets Neal going.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-1B Center- Neal
Frolik-Backlund-Bennett
Jankowski-Ryan/Hathaway/Czarnik/Mangiapane

Giordano-Brodie
Hanifin-Hamonic
Stone/Valimaki/Andersson/Kylington

Goalie
(Bolded are set, the rest can swap)

I think this is one of the best option for out team and could make us a true contender. The 1st line has been legit this season, if we could get a center similar to Backlund in production and reunite him with Frolik and Bennett (was a line the last time we were in the playoffs) and maybe even get Neal going. I believe that Jankowski (Dube can replace when contracts and roster space allow) Czarnik and a conditional draft pick would be enough to land this (I prefer Schenn but would look at options). The only thing that I see which would be nice to get us a long playoff run would be an upgrade on Smith (possible with a few years left as I am not sure Gillies is consistent enough to be the backup next year), maybe Anderson (open to thoughts here).

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If you want a third version of an expensive falling star after Brouwer and Neal then yeah, Carter makes a ton of sense.

Personally I think there are better pick ups out there though.

Carter makes no sense because he will retire before leaving California.

[Monahammer]

http://imgur.com/gallery/Hiv99TL

It is tight AF but we could fit Seguin in.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

http://imgur.com/gallery/Hiv99TL

It is tight AF but we could fit Seguin in.

Glad to know we can acquire Seguin for free.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Glad to know we can acquire Seguin for free.

Lol not at all- trades our best 3 assets for him in dube, valimaki, and the 2019 first rounder. I did include neal though as that's the only reasonable way to make it feasible. Definitely a pipe dream but Dallas is one of the places I could see accepting neal given his connection to the franchise and the head coach

[bubbsy]

If the wild fall out of the playoff picture, would staal possibly be available, and if so, at what value?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol not at all- trades our best 3 assets for him in dube, valimaki, and the 2019 first rounder. I did include neal though as that's the only reasonable way to make it feasible. Definitely a pipe dream but Dallas is one of the places I could see accepting neal given his connection to the franchise and the head coach

Dallas hangs up unless someone named Tkachuk, Monahan, or Gaudreau is going the other way. They are not trading their star C for futures unless those futures include a top 5 prospect in the NHL.