Phaneuf,Sjostrom,Aulie traded to leafs for Hagman,Stajan,Mayers,White

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I still can't believe we couldn't get a player or prospect with 1st line potential back for Phaneuf. Absolutely brutal.

Maybe it is a good trade "now" for the Flames, but this is still not a team that is likely to contend for the Cup "now". When Stajan and Mayers leave as UFAs in July, being a good trade in February is meaningless. The Flames need to be looking at the future. You don't trade to set up 8th/9th place teams for the "now".

The best player we got back is a 30 year old 20/20 2nd liner...

Do people not realize that a big part of this deal was to free up 3.5 plus of cap space in the offseason?? Dion and Sjostrom off the books for next year is 7,25 million. Hagman makes 3. So, do the math, there's 4.25 of space. That means a lot. IF we lose Stajan, so what?? Use the cap space to make a run at a Marleau or somebody else. Would you not trade Phaneuf for Hagman and Marleau? I would, especially with Giordano's emergence.

To Calgary: Stajan, White, Hagman, Mayers and 4.25 millon of cap space for next season.

To Toronto: Phaneuf, Sjostrom and Aulie


The team is better now, no question about it and if Darryl uses that cap space wisely, it could be better for next year going forward. There is no guarantee that Aulie will be a good player or a NHL player. There's no guarantee that Dion will regain his form of 2 years ago.

Time will tell, but after letting in sink in, I am okay with this deal and will be ecstatic with it if we can land a big fish in July.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Not happy at all with this.

You can't move a player with that kind of potential with out getting a front line player back.

The Flames really got hosed here, IMO. Dion is a 24 year old player who has yet to hit his prime.

Hagman is good, and White is OK but the upside that Dion has is beyond what these two bring to the table.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Not happy at all with this.

You can't move a player with that kind of potential with out getting a front line player back.

The Flames really got hosed here, IMO. Dion is a 24 year old player who has yet to hit his prime.

Hagman is good, and White is OK but the upside that Dion has is beyond what these two bring to the table.

If not a front line player back, then you have to get strong prospects and/or picks back. You HAVE to.

Who cares if this team manages to squeak into 7th or 8th this year now with the couple of points added by these new players only to be bounced by Chicago or San Jose again? I certainly don't, not when you lose Phaneuf for 4 older players, with 2 of them being UFAs and possibly leaving after 40 more games or so anyway.

I'm not so mad about trading Phaneuf as I am about the return they got.

This is what convinces me something was going on behind the scenes, in the locker room, that basically forced Sutter's hand.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by BOSSY

Talk about taking something out of context... Wasn't an ego statement at all ... What a stupid comment!

It was all ego. Dion is all ego. In fact, if you took a needle and inserted it directly into his protruding forehead you could drain some of that infected ego out. Someone call House!

Insults? Nice Bossy.

[LickTheEnvelope]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Do people not realize that a big part of this deal was to free up 3.5 plus of cap space in the offseason?? Dion and Sjostrom off the books for next year is 7,25 million. Hagman makes 3. So, do the math, there's 4.25 of space. That means a lot. IF we lose Stajan, so what?? Use the cap space to make a run at a Marleau or somebody else. Would you not trade Phaneuf for Hagman and Marleau? I would, especially with Giordano's emergence.

To Calgary: Stajan, White, Hagman, Mayers and 4.25 millon of cap space for next season.

To Toronto: Phaneuf, Sjostrom and Aulie


The team is better now, no question about it and if Darryl uses that cap space wisely, it could be better for next year going forward. There is no guarantee that Aulie will be a good player or a NHL player. There's no guarantee that Dion will regain his form of 2 years ago.

Time will tell, but after letting in sink in, I am okay with this deal and will be ecstatic with it if we can land a big fish in July.

UFA market looks pretty ugly:
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=712721

I'm surprised Sutter wasn't going after a top line playmaker. Hagman is a shooter, Stajan is a marginal 2nd/3rd line checking center like a poor mans Langkow.

[J pold]

To many 'if-than' being tossed about, on a mere tangible level we just got completely hosed.

[Zee]

Originally Posted by photon

Where does that quote come from? On the radio Sutter said the opposite, that Dion was a great guy and a great player, that a trade doesn't mean the player isn't wanted, that it's the opposite, that teams want you.

I may have misheard.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Sutter said this trade WASN'T made because of Dion.

But to trade him, it had to be a part of it. I am far, far past the stage of believing anything Sutter says.

there is no GM more adept at smoke and mirrors than Sutter, he is the anti-thesis of Brian Burke. listening to one of his press conferences is one of the most pointless things to do, and something i'll try to avoid in the future. he's not just vague, he flat out lies to the fans and media

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

The Flames really got hosed here, IMO. Dion is a 24 year old player who has yet to hit his prime.

The question here is how long are we willing to pay a d-man $6.5 mil a year to develop and hit his prime. And would he have even hit his prime here?

It's like an investment. Would you invest in a company with little proven track record in hopes it becomes a multi-million dollar company? Or would you want to invest in a company that already has it's legs in hopes to make a smaller but more likely return on investment. When it comes to dollars, potential is worth nothing.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

This now makes the Bouwmester signing make a lot more sense

I agree Mel, but how many losers can you have in one room? Look at our roster - Panthers, Yotes and Leafs... Awesome...

[edn88]

So of the core guys that we could move, I am happier to see Dion go than say Jarome or Kipper. I think I would feel the outrage that many Dion fans feel if either Jarome or Kipper were being dealt today.

But onto the really pressing issue - what numbers will the new guys wear?

[Dr. Doom]

Since CPs been hammered most of the day I've been forced to read reviews of this trade on TSN. A lot of good points made bothways but this poster's view for me sums up the same way I feel for the most part:

"True, Die-Hard Calgary Flames Fan. I created this account solely to post about this trade. What I'm about to tell you is completely honest.I remember in the first 1-2 years, Dion Phaneuf played incredibly well for a young Defenceman. I remember in Calgary, everyone was talking about how 'Someday, this kid is going to win the Norris.' However, in the last 2-3 years, he has been getting worse. Personally, I believe the largest factor of his downfall was due to the fact that he was the Calgary Flames whipping boy. The media and fans were ALWAYS on this guy, and rightfully so considering how he has played in recent years. This does not bode well for Toronto, because the pressure of being in Calgary is going to be half of what Toronto will be like. I like Phaneuf, but he's nowhere near worth 6.5 Mill. Do NOT kid yourselves. I wish him the best, but I have to be honest, I like this trade for the Flames. I truly believe that we got full value for Phaneuf and I commend Sutter. I don't want draft picks; we have a great team now and I don't want to build for the future. Our prospect pool is average and we have a great core.Also to be considered is the 'rumors' (with evidence of being true) that Phaneuf was a problem in the dressing room/didn't get along with the coach, etc. This trade is good for the Flames short term, especially if we can resign the guys we got in return, provided that they play well. This trade COULD be terrible for Toronto and COULD be excellent for Toronto. I just wanted to let Toronto really know what they're getting. I'm seeing a lot of happy Toronto fans saying things like 'Kaberle and Phaneuf! Awesome!' What a joke! Kaberle isn't gonna be too happy with Phaneuf, that's my bet. Regehr certainly wasn't. Picture McCabe. That's what you're getting. You got Brian McCabe back, who might turn out to be a solid defenceman someday and possibly win the Norris. Personally, I doubt he will. I just wanted to clear the air."

[MikeMc]

I love how some of you think that Dion should have gotten a bigger return. Like his market value is that of a absolute number one dman.

1st off trades are incredibly hard to pull off in the "new" NHL. Very few teams can take on Dion's salary. Of those teams that can what teams have pieces that would help us? And which of those has a need for an offensive dman?

I think some Flames fans overvalue what Dion is worth on the market. Someone post about how it should have been Kessel and Kadri? Really? You think Dion is worth the two first round draft picks they paid for Kessel and a high end prospect? Cause i certainly don't. Dion isn't a Norris candidate quality dman right now, hasn't been for a while.

IMO whatever Dion does once he gets to TO is almost a moot point. He wasn't getting it done here (to the point a 7 million dollar/yr dman should) and he was an issue in the locker room ("allegedly"). The team needed a change and Dion was the obvious choice to go. We didn't have any forwards that would get us significant return (other than Iggy) and we aren't trading JBo. Also Gio has stepped up huge and that helps let someone like Dion go.

This moves gives us financial flexibility, more scoring, some speed and a player who can eat up Dion's minutes to a large degree.

Good work Sutter.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Do people not realize that a big part of this deal was to free up 3.5 plus of cap space in the offseason?? Dion and Sjostrom off the books for next year is 7,25 million. Hagman makes 3. So, do the math, there's 4.25 of space. That means a lot. IF we lose Stajan, so what?? Use the cap space to make a run at a Marleau or somebody else. Would you not trade Phaneuf for Hagman and Marleau? I would, especially with Giordano's emergence.

To Calgary: Stajan, White, Hagman, Mayers and 4.25 millon of cap space for next season.

To Toronto: Phaneuf, Sjostrom and Aulie


The team is better now, no question about it and if Darryl uses that cap space wisely, it could be better for next year going forward. There is no guarantee that Aulie will be a good player or a NHL player. There's no guarantee that Dion will regain his form of 2 years ago.

Time will tell, but after letting in sink in, I am okay with this deal and will be ecstatic with it if we can land a big fish in July.

Does having cap space make the Islanders a better team? How about Dallas? Having cap space is meaningless if you don't spend it on quality players. This trade does not make that any easier. If anything, jetisoning a young star player for bunch of average players doesn't help sell this team to free agents.

I'm also not sold that this team is better now. There is no reason to think that Hagman and Stajan can fair better than Langkow, Moss, and the other forwards who should be scoring but aren't.

We needed to have a real impact player coming back. A trade for a young player would have given us cap space and been a lot better.

[jimFlames]

Has anyone listened to Freddie on the Fan? Poor guy seems really distraught and ended the interview with i wish i played better so theyd keep me.

[Jayamania]

What cap savings is everybody talking about?

Hagman makes 3 million. White will likely go to arbitration and get at least 3 million, possibly more. And Stajan if kept, will get at least 3 million.

Last time I went to school, 9 million was more then 7.25 million.

Bottom line. If Calgary doesn't win the cup this season, this could go down as one of the worst trades ever.

[browna]

Originally Posted by edn88

But onto the really pressing issue - what numbers will the new guys wear?

Hagman #9.
Stajan #14.

[Red_Baron]

Scoring depth?
Great, we got guys that will make it a 7-3 beating instead of a 7-1 beating. None of these guys can score in anything close to a tight checking game. Phoenix will enjoy our first round draft pick because it'll probably be a top 10 now.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by browna

Hagman #9.
Stajan #14.

Fleury's number isn't retired though.

[TnT~55]

Originally Posted by browna

Hagman #9.
Stajan #14.

Can't be #9