Liberals will move to topple Conservative Gov't

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Rerun

When it comes down to what the Liberals will or will not do, the waters are always muddy. Half the time I never know which way they stand on issues or votes.... although I suppose now that Ignatieff has gone on record saying he has lost all confidence in the government and that he can no longer support them, he HAS to vote against the government on every issue. He has really painted himself in a corner with not too much room to manouever.

He has painted himself into a corner...but if that corner means voting against a tax increase then you have to think that is a good spot to be in. Much better than if he said he would support them no matter what and voted in favour of the increase.

[Ford Prefect]

Whenever a politician enters the water it gets muddy.

[CaptainCrunch]

Except that Ignatieff is not really against the HST and would still implement it, so why bring down the government over it.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/09/21/i...t-its-a-start/

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Slava

He has painted himself into a corner...but if that corner means voting against a tax increase then you have to think that is a good spot to be in. Much better than if he said he would support them no matter what and voted in favour of the increase.

I think the arguement here is that he's not in a corner at all. If he doesn't want to go to the polls his party will still vote against the government, but there will be a number of missing Liberal MPs for the vote. Making promises and bending them is essentially what embodies being a politician. Just last spring Jack Layton made a statement that there was no way his party would vote with the conservative government, and alas reality changed. Technically the grits will be able to say that they always voted against the government, but at the same time not rock the boat enough to force an unwanted election on the Canadian people.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

I think the arguement here is that he's not in a corner at all. If he doesn't want to go to the polls his party will still vote against the government, but there will be a number of missing Liberal MPs for the vote.

Well, yes... obviously he could do that. Unfortunately that kind of tactic will make him look even weaker than Dion. Kind of like the kid who keeps challenging the neighborhood bully and then when the bully calls him on it... the kid is no where to be found. .... all talk.. no action.

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Making promises and bending them is essentially what embodies being a politician. Just last spring Jack Layton made a statement that there was no way his party would vote with the conservative government, and alas reality changed.

Thats why everyone looks at Jack as being a sleazy used car salesman type of politician. Nobody respects him or his word.

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Technically the grits will be able to say that they always voted against the government, but at the same time not rock the boat enough to force an unwanted election on the Canadian people.

Of course they can... but if they do, people will remember that when push comes to shove they weaseled out of their threats.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Absolutely. I jump back and forth between the NDP and Greens, but have voted NDP in the last few elections. Six months ago Jack was bashing the Liberals for propping up an evil Conservative government. Their web site was all "we've lost confidence in this government to accomplish anything'; 'Harper is implementing his agenda with the aide of the Liberals'; 'We will not support the Conservative agenda. Why are the Liberals?'

So I'm doubly pissed off with the NDP - first for supporting a government that I have deep ideological difference with; second for being so two faced.

I wrote to them saying that if they prop up the government, they have lost a staunch supporter. I'll go back to the Greens. Not that it matters much. No matter how much I go knocking on doors and handing out pamphlets, there is no way either party is winning this riding.

Do you live in Alberta? I don't think it will be possible to vote for the Green party in Alberta. The party was dissolved in July 2009 when it was unable to file financial returns with Elections Alberta as required by law.

Any party that can not keep themselves viable by filing required returns is a party I do not want running the country of Canada.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by redforever

Do you live in Alberta? I don't think it will be possible to vote for the Green party in Alberta. The party was dissolved in July 2009 when it was unable to file financial returns with Elections Alberta as required by law.

Any party that can not keep themselves viable by filing required returns is a party I do not want running the country of Canada.

The provincial and federal parties are separate (same with the Alberta Liberals and Alberta Conservatives). I believe the provincial greens lost their party status, but the national party is still fully functioning as normal, and will be valid in all provinces in a federal election.