[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I think Dalibor Dvorsky is a legitimate number 1 center prospect. I think the trade would need to be 1 for 1, or the Flames might even need to add to Andersson to get Dvorsky.

Why would the Blues do that though?

[VilleN]

I don't think Andersson is really telling the Flames where they can trade him - only where he would sign when he hits UFA (and therefore sign an extension as part of the trade). I don't really see anything wrong with that from his perspective. That being the case, our best move is to trade him as a rental unfortunately.

[kyuss275]

I’d be happy if they could trade him to a bubble team for a 2026 first and hope team doesn’t make playoffs. I don’t see bottom feeder teams throwing a first for a year of Anderson. Think cp should temper expectations of a return. Not getting back a # 1 or 2 prospect for him as a year rental.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Why would the Blues do that though?

I don’t know. I’m currently in dream land thinking about having Dvorsky and Reschny as center prospects, so the Blues probably wouldn’t. Haha

[dustygoon]

Do we know that Conroy allowed him to talk to other teams? I haven't read that. Doesn't mean the agent isn't trying to force CC's hand in the background though.

Unless Conroy fumble ####ed the NTC list and LA is somehow on it which would be rare, how is LA not ballsy enough to get him and convince him to stay? On that note, there are lots of GM's in great cities with competitive teams who would and should trade for him. A year to get with the locker room and fall in love with the city?

And Ras has to be a little nervous how much money Vegas has left for him next year. Add marner for $12mm. Eichel next year UFA (goes from $10mm to $14mm?). Only 8 forwards signed. Need another goalie and resign Lauson. That's at least $25mm.

This isn't done yet.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

And Ras has to be a little nervous how much money Vegas has left for him next year. Add marner for $12mm. Eichel next year UFA (goes from $10mm to $14mm?). Only 8 forwards signed. Need another goalie and resign Lauson. That's at least $25mm.

That has never been a problem for them.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Do we know that Conroy allowed him to talk to other teams? I haven't read that. Doesn't mean the agent isn't trying to force CC's hand in the background though.

Unless Conroy fumble ####ed the NTC list and LA is somehow on it which would be rare, how is LA not ballsy enough to get him and convince him to stay? On that note, there are lots of GM's in great cities with competitive teams who would and should trade for him. A year to get with the locker room and fall in love with the city?

And Ras has to be a little nervous how much money Vegas has left for him next year. Add marner for $12mm. Eichel next year UFA (goes from $10mm to $14mm?). Only 8 forwards signed. Need another goalie and resign Lauson. That's at least $25mm.

This isn't done yet.

The rumoured price for a an extended Anderson is high, as it should be. LA would probably consider trading for Anderson at a rental price . No team is giving up Calgarys ask for extended Anderson , unless he signs.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ped

This is where NHL GMs need to be a little more assertive. Too many play it safe. If you think Andersson is someone that can help your team and your interested in contending, then make the trade. You have a whole season with him. Maybe he'll decide that he wants to keep playing for you. Maybe not. But you do have him for one full season.

This is a bigger aspect of the situation than most people want to acknowledge. There’s zero problem with the way Conroy or Andersson is handling it, Conroy can and will trade him to anywhere not on his list. Andersson can and will sign wherever he wants, as is his right as an upcoming UFA.

Teams also don’t want to offer up a big amount if they’re not sure they can sign him. Why people are on Conroy/Andersson for this is beyond me. He’s a year away from FA. Teams should buck up and make a big move. If they can’t sign him or if it doesn’t turn them into a contender, that’s 100% on them.

Conroy, Andersson, or Andersson’s agent aren’t doing anything offside here.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This is a bigger aspect of the situation than most people want to acknowledge. There’s zero problem with the way Conroy or Andersson is handling it, Conroy can and will trade him to anywhere not on his list. Andersson can and will sign wherever he wants, as is his right as an upcoming UFA.

Teams also don’t want to offer up a big amount if they’re not sure they can sign him. Why people are on Conroy/Andersson for this is beyond me. He’s a year away from FA. Teams should buck up and make a big move. If they can’t sign him or if it doesn’t turn them into a contender, that’s 100% on them.

Conroy, Andersson, or Andersson’s agent aren’t doing anything offside here.

Conroy just painted himself into a corner by leaving it to Andersson’s final year. Now he has to make the best of the situation. Andersson is doing nothing wrong.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

This.

Sit him for the year. See what that's worth to him. Flames are always too nice.

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Sure, sit him for a year, let him go UFA, and get nothing in return.

And show the hockey world why you should never sign a contract with Calagry again.

NHL suicide.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The rumoured price for a an extended Anderson is high, as it should be. LA would probably consider trading for Anderson at a rental price . No team is giving up Calgarys ask for extended Anderson , unless he signs.

Not so sure. We are not up #### creek yet. No one is paying the full price for extended Anderson, but i don't think he is a pure rental either. One year plus a chance to convince him to stay? LA is a solid spot.

And Vegas isn't going to wait a year for Anderson to come available. They are contending. They need him now on the right side to replace Pietreangelo. I don't see a quality stop gap for a year out there.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Not so sure. We are not up #### creek yet. No one is paying the full price for extended Anderson, but i don't think he is a pure rental either. One year plus a chance to convince him to stay? LA is a solid spot.

And Vegas isn't going to wait a year for Anderson to come available. They are contending. They need him now on the right side to replace Pietreangelo. I don't see a quality stop gap for a year out there.

If CC can fuel a bidding war between Western contenders he might turn this into a win. I hope so!

You have to think that as much as they may want the player, LA and St Lou equally want to keep him off the VGK roster. So obtaining Ras strengthens their team while weakening a rival that also needs him.

[Kovaz]

Having it be Vegas does #### the flames, regardless of why Andersson only wants to sign there. Having Andersson surely improves Vegas, which hurts the value of that first round pick. If he helps them win an extra playoff round or finish 2 or 3 places higher in the standings (say, if their pick drops from 26 to 29 or 30) - that gap in value is comparable to a 2nd or 3rd round pick. So Vegas needs to overpay Andersson's fair value by a 3rd rounder to make it worth our while.

But that's also a problem for a rental -- any other team that trades for Andersson can flip him there if he won't sign. Worst case scenario: rental return for Andersson, but he still ends up on Vegas. So I think any rental deal has to include a poison pill condition -- something to the effect of "if Andersson plays 1 game for Vegas this season, give an additional 2nd round pick to the Flames". But that lowers the value of a rental deal, which Vegas would know, which lowers their offer, and so on.

But if we're not getting a fair price, what's the need to trade him? I think it's pretty unlikely that no "2nd and a B prospect" trades are available throughout the season, and Andersson loses too if we sit tight and ride out the season (only being able to sign a 6-year deal next off-season vs. an 8-year deal for a sign-and-trade). My gut feel: if we stay patient, either Vegas ponies up the dough or Andersson softens his stance and ends up with an 8-year sign-and-trade to Tampa or Carolina or something.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

Having it be Vegas does #### the flames, regardless of why Andersson only wants to sign there. Having Andersson surely improves Vegas, which hurts the value of that first round pick. If he helps them win an extra playoff round or finish 2 or 3 places higher in the standings (say, if their pick drops from 26 to 29 or 30) - that gap in value is comparable to a 2nd or 3rd round pick. So Vegas needs to overpay Andersson's fair value by a 3rd rounder to make it worth our while.

But that's also a problem for a rental -- any other team that trades for Andersson can flip him there if he won't sign. Worst case scenario: rental return for Andersson, but he still ends up on Vegas. So I think any rental deal has to include a poison pill condition -- something to the effect of "if Andersson plays 1 game for Vegas this season, give an additional 2nd round pick to the Flames". But that lowers the value of a rental deal, which Vegas would know, which lowers their offer, and so on.

But if we're not getting a fair price, what's the need to trade him? I think it's pretty unlikely that no "2nd and a B prospect" trades are available throughout the season, and Andersson loses too if we sit tight and ride out the season (only being able to sign a 6-year deal next off-season vs. an 8-year deal for a sign-and-trade). My gut feel: if we stay patient, either Vegas ponies up the dough or Andersson softens his stance and ends up with an 8-year sign-and-trade to Tampa or Carolina or something.

Not sure if you can put a clause in any trade that if he is traded again we get an extra pick?

[McG]

RA is a rental until he’s not.

GMCC wants a certain trade return. That premium return is easier to justify for the new team with an extension, especially 8 years, when RA is traded.

RA may have said “I’ll only sign the extension now for a Vegas trade”, meaning that any premium can only come from one place. That’s kinda bollocks but RA can say what he likes.

GMCC doesn’t have to play though; someone else posted to make 2 lists and that’s a good idea. GMCC should get the best deal for the Flames regardless of “only Vegas”.

It’s not actually a good move by the RA camp though. At first I thought it was designed to force Vegas onto the Flames, instead it’s a poor public relations move because not only will Vegas lowball the Flames, they lowball RA too. Vegas aren’t competing with anyone as they would as a UFA. The agent can’t get the best deal for RA because there’s no competition. That’s a dumb agent especially with a 6 year being potentially the best contract term available next CBA. RA should be concerned with losing 2 years.

GMCC should absorb half the salary and find the best deal for Flames. Vegas potentially hurts our Vegas unprotected first round pick so by default I would think he should look away from Vegas…unless they make a deal worth negatively impacting the pick.

It’s in RA’s best interests not to lock on one team at all either now (too late) or in UFA. RA should be interested in creating a market for himself at every opportunity.

RA has been poorly advised here.

GMCC should get offers from all interested teams and decide which ones he likes. Then he should put in a rider (if possible) to keep RA there until next UFA period. Then tell RA to work with the Flames or else it costs 2 years of contract. Realistic? Probably not but the idea is to get the best for the Flames, not RA. He showed his hand; here’s the Flames’.

GMCC should take back the power in this position. That might be to tell RA that Flames will now look for the best deal when the time is right for Calgary. It completely changes RA’s position because now there’s uncertainty about destination and timing. And potentially losing 2 years of term.

If Flames decide to trade with Vegas after all, take Pieterangelo’s salary too and take a lot of draft capital since Vegas cares so little for it.

Apologies for the length; I have negotiated for years and these things are multi layered.

Flames and RA can both win but they have to work together.

[Royle9]

I’ve not heard anything about Dvorsky being linked to any trade, but if STL is dangling that carrot you take it and run.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Conroy just painted himself into a corner by leaving it to Andersson’s final year. Now he has to make the best of the situation. Andersson is doing nothing wrong.

This is not at all painting himself into a corner. He has a full summer to work with this, you guys are getting way too panicky here.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If CC can fuel a bidding war between Western contenders he might turn this into a win. I hope so!

You have to think that as much as they may want the player, LA and St Lou equally want to keep him off the VGK roster. So obtaining Ras strengthens their team while weakening a rival that also needs him.

As does Calgary, ideally.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This is a bigger aspect of the situation than most people want to acknowledge. There’s zero problem with the way Conroy or Andersson is handling it, Conroy can and will trade him to anywhere not on his list. Andersson can and will sign wherever he wants, as is his right as an upcoming UFA.

Teams also don’t want to offer up a big amount if they’re not sure they can sign him. Why people are on Conroy/Andersson for this is beyond me. He’s a year away from FA. Teams should buck up and make a big move. If they can’t sign him or if it doesn’t turn them into a contender, that’s 100% on them.

Conroy, Andersson, or Andersson’s agent aren’t doing anything offside here.

What we need is a big crazy whiteboard to write this out on!

First, set the notion for what the minimum price would be for an Andersson trade.

• If we trade him at the Trade Deadline then our expectation is a late 1st round pick + prospect - essentially the Hanifin price
• If we trade Andersson this offseason instead of in March then the expectation should be a better price then the Deadline deal
• If we trade Andersson this offseason with full retention then the price should be better than without retention

For the above price, you can send Andersson anywhere with everyone expecting that Andersson will walk to UFA. The Flames lose out on better value on the trade and Andersson loses out on an 8 year contract as his max is now 6.

I would be interested to see what clauses you can put on that deal. Like, can you put a clause in that triggers if the other team trades Andersson again? Do you tie it to games played? Playoff games played?

From there, the extension talks should only drive the price up to be more in line with the Dobson value. Even with Andersson being older than Dobson, 9 years of control on the best D on the market is going to fetch a pretty penny.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Wolven

What we need is a big crazy whiteboard to write this out on!

First, set the notion for what the minimum price would be for an Andersson trade.

• If we trade him at the Trade Deadline then our expectation is a late 1st round pick + prospect - essentially the Hanifin price
• If we trade Andersson this offseason instead of in March then the expectation should be a better price then the Deadline deal
• If we trade Andersson this offseason with full retention then the price should be better than without retention

For the above price, you can send Andersson anywhere with everyone expecting that Andersson will walk to UFA. The Flames lose out on better value on the trade and Andersson loses out on an 8 year contract as his max is now 6.

I would be interested to see what clauses you can put on that deal. Like, can you put a clause in that triggers if the other team trades Andersson again? Do you tie it to games played? Playoff games played?

From there, the extension talks should only drive the price up to be more in line with the Dobson value. Even with Andersson being older than Dobson, 9 years of control on the best D on the market is going to fetch a pretty penny.

This is all fine, but Ras can still sign for 8 years until next June.