2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Seems you're getting back in the game? If you got in trouble and have a career associated with the Flames I wouldn't want you to keep engaging and put your career at risk just to entertain/inform us. Royale9 has everything covered, I'd just leave it to him, imo.

I’m far from being back in the game.

I simply implied that Royals information is good. I didn’t present anything new.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Wait.. who is Sec?

Harvey the hound.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by zukes

I imagine that the cost of getting him will piss a lot of the tank people off though, which I 100% don't get. Yes, you have to make, and hit on, a lot of draft picks during a rebuild, but those picks can also be used for young, somewhat proven, guys with upside. They are less of a lottery ticket than the draft pick.

Right now every furure pick is a future stsr in a few folks minds. The Vegas and Jersey picks have top 3 pick potential.

In reality if you get a player who plays 200 games as a Flame in 3 out of 10 picks you're beating the odds. Those future firsts from other teams likey end up being pick 18 at best. So there is a balance where exchanging a couple of lower round or late firsts for more refined known talent is a good way to supplement the asset base.

But at this stage, none of the firsts should be in play because their values are unknown. But a 5th a guy like Krebs might not be terrible if you think he can be a longer term 3 or 4 center.

Chicago drafted Kane and Toews with high picks. But before that they had drafted Keith, Seabrooke and Bolland, and traded for Patrick Sharp two years before drafting Toews. So a lot of pieces were put in place there before the tank.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I think you are right, only counts of you move up

You are right.
I read on the Athletic that neither San Jose or Chicago picks counted as lottery wins last year as they were already in those positions.

I would like to see them change the draft rules to punish incompetence/tanking...
-you can't pick in the top 3 more than twice in 5 years
-you can't pick in the top 5 more than three times in 5 years
-you can't pick in the top 10 more than 4 times in 5 years (or something along those lines)

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Probabaly Pinto.

You can see the unrealized potential there that Conroy and co are after.

With Krebs I just see an underwhelming player all around.

Would love for it to be Pinto but I don’t think it is. If we are going by what the guy on twitter said the player is unhappy because he has gone down the lineup because of a trade. I don’t remember Ottawa trading for anybody in their top 6. The krebs theory checks all the boxes on what was posted on twitter. That said I’m not high on krebs being anything better than a bottom 6 player.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

You are right.
I read on the Athletic that neither San Jose or Chicago picks counted as lottery wins last year as they were already in those positions.

I would like to see them change the draft rules to punish incompetence/tanking...
-you can't pick in the top 3 more than twice in 5 years
-you can't pick in the top 5 more than three times in 5 years
-you can't pick in the top 10 more than 4 times in 5 years (or something along those lines)

Draft won't ever be perfect, and the league has already made a number of changes that are good enough.

Personally, outside of the generational talent drafts, I don't see any teams intentionally "tanking/rebuilding" for more than a few years... although some end up being crappy for a decade (Buffalo/Edmonton/Phoenix) but that is more about bad ownership/management rather than intentional tanking.

The league, and the majority of owners, are far more incentivized to address poorly managed teams through backchannels because the existing CBA and revenue sharing. It's why finally Phoenix lost that team and any new ownership is heavily vetted by the existing group.

As much as I'd like Calgary to win the lottery and draft first overall (or even top 3) sometime, league parity is way more important to me--and I'd rather see crappy teams have shots at higher end players and the league deal with bad management behind the scenes.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Does kinda sound like Krebs, but being an Okotoks boy myself knowing his brother and hearing of his reputation growing up, don't know if he'd at all be worth any cost.

Certainly hasn't shown anything at the NHL level to suggest he's worth much value

What does that mean?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Would love for it to be Pinto but I don’t think it is. If we are going by what the guy on twitter said the player is unhappy because he has gone down the lineup because of a trade. I don’t remember Ottawa trading for anybody in their top 6. The krebs theory checks all the boxes on what was posted on twitter. That said I’m not high on krebs being anything better than a bottom 6 player.

Krebs is probably the guy that wants out - but really the telling thing there to me is that the Sabres really don't seem to have any faith in him in their top 9 even.

Last year it was: Thompson - Cozens - Mittelstadt - Krebs

This year it is: Thompson - Cozens - McLeod - Krebs

So I guess he could be mad that they moved out Mittelstadt, only to then bring in McLeod, but really Krebs has never had a "top 9 role" in the past either.

I'd be intrigued to bring him in, but I wouldn't want to pay more than a 3rd for him.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I don't think the price would be very high to land Parssinen, as he's clearly not a favorite of Coach Brunette's (Foudy is playing for the Isles). I don't think they want Barrie, and Miromanov is starting to look like a fringe-NHLer at times. I'm sure if Nashville were to come calling, it would be Pachal out of the three that they would want, but I have doubts that it would be enough to land Parssinen (who is a 23 yo center), and I certainly can't see it being enough to land Tomasino- who I think just needs a change of scenery. Just my opinion, what do you think?

Tomasino seems very much like the guy that fits the language of the tweet. Predators signed a number of free agents, including a couple of centres.

He played 10 minutes last Thursday, five minutes on Saturday and was scratched the last game.

He signed a 1 year deal for close to league minimum on the day that training camp opened -- which although not technically a true bridge, it's basically a take it or leave it and sit contract.

They also have a bit of a log jam at centre now, with even Stamkos playing the wing.

He's probably not happy.

[Psytic]

I think Zegras would be a better target and he's also 23. The guy has shown he actually has the ability to be a high end player in the NHL unlike Krebs, but lacks drive. We already have Huberdeau and Mantha so why not add another high skill low drive player to the fold. He has been on the block for awhile. I think they can rehabilitate these types. The other two have looked pretty good this year so far...Krebs is just a waste of assets theres literally no upside there.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I think Zegras would be a better target and he's also 23. The guy has shown he actually has the ability to be a high end player in the NHL unlike Krebs, but lacks drive. We already have Huberdeau and Mantha so why not add another high skill low drive player to the fold. He has been on the block for awhile. I think they can rehabilitate these types. The other two have looked pretty good this year so far...Krebs is just a waste of assets theres literally no upside there.

Probably still very expensive to acquire, due to his draft pedigree

Is an American and probably not too keen on playing in Canada (just a guess)

Even the Ducks don't want him

Why would you want to pursue a 'low drive player'?

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

I'd rather pick up a Pelletier type personality than a Zegras.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Probably still very expensive to acquire, due to his draft pedigree

Is an American and probably not too keen on playing in Canada (just a guess)

Even the Ducks don't want him

Why would you want to pursue a 'low drive player'?

Better than a bust like Krebs that's never shown anything. I think Conroy has a penchant for going after skill players that have these "issues", whether its drive, or just not being liked by the coach, or being expendable. You can add Kuzmenko, Mantha and even Sharangovich to this list. He finds players that are basically misfits and have been deemed expendable. Every time he's bought in its turned out pretty well. This is another candidate with significant skill you could probably get for a value trade that could end up being a good player on this team... fits Conroy's MO. Would he waive though who knows, maybe he has a chip on his shoulder after being punted aside by Leo Carlsson we don't know.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Harvey the hound.

Careful Harvey, we don't need you to lose your job.
Feel free to DM me and I can leak any info for you.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

I'm assuming people saw it but just to make sure, Sec's quote crossed out Krebs from the original post. fwiw

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by zukes

I'd love for Conroy to make a trade for Pinto. He fits exactly what they have been doing. I imagine that the cost of getting him will piss a lot of the tank people off though, which I 100% don't get. Yes, you have to make, and hit on, a lot of draft picks during a rebuild, but those picks can also be used for young, somewhat proven, guys with upside. They are less of a lottery ticket than the draft pick.

Hopefully the cost makes sense and that the Flames ability to eat cap makes it hurt less.

As long as it isn't our 1st I don't see why it could be viewed negatively.

Backlund, Kadri, Rooney, Kirkland is our non-converted C depth and we don't have much in the pipeline.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Sounds like it will be a fairly cheap acquisition price if he was displaced and unhappy.



I wonder if the Flames will even have to give up tangible assets? Maybe the basis of a deal - depending on the cap space of the other team, their contract situations and how good the 23 year old C is - could be structured this way:


Flames Get:
23 Y/O C
Cap Dump with 1-2 years on deal


Other team gets:
Future considerations. Maybe a low pick?



That's the kind of deal that I would love the Flames to pull off, though easier said than done. Best way to weaponize cap space.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I'm assuming people saw it but just to make sure, Sec's quote crossed out Krebs from the original post. fwiw

Thanks for pointing that out. I didn’t see that. The plot thickens

[SuperMatt18]

Actually not a lot of guys that fit the bill as an U-25, that are listed as RH center that have played NHL games over the past two seasons.

Not A Chance:
Seth Jarvis
Wyatt Johnston
Connor Bedard
Logan Stankoven
Shane Wright
Will Smith
Jett Luchanko

Less Proven, Probably Not A Chance, Would Cost Too Much
Mavrik Bourque
Brad Lambert
Frank Nazar
Calum Ritchie
Matthew Poitras

More Proven, Maybe A Chance But Going To Cost a Lot
Martin Necas
Dylan Cozens
Gabriel Vilardi (Playing top line RW for the Jets...so probably not)
Dawson Mercer (Playing top 6 RW for the Devils...so probably not)
Shane Pinto

Maybe Could Be A Target
Philip Tomasino (Might be more of a winger)
Mark Kastelic
Akil Thomas
Ty Dellandrea
Kirby Dach
Rasmus Kupari
Jean-Luc Foudy
Gavin Brindley
Ryan Winterton

Conroy mentioned being willing to move a 1st...which makes me thing he's shopping more in that Pinto, Necas, Cozens realm, than one of the guys who is more of a more affordable acquisition that's less proven.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Justin Schultz has signed with Lugano of the Swiss National League.

Wasn't he supposed to ride into Oiler town and save the day?