[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Sounds like his friend and source within the Flames org WAS Treliving. Maybe Tre is using him from Toronto to shake the tree with Hanifin as well.

Do you actually think that NHL GMs depend on reporters to get their information about what is going on? Everything that gets reported is not news to anyone in NHL hockey ops. I suspect GMs just roll their eyes at "insider reports!"...

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I do wonder if Treliving was his source now because getting news out of Calgary was difficult.

I wonder about this as well.


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[Burning Beard]

The white knighting for media "insiders" is hilarious. I believe Rasta Masta, Sec and Dissentowner way more than a Seravelli or Lebrun who are trying to generate clicks and interested in making drama.

[getbak]

It is possible for both things to be true:

1. Hanifin likes Calgary and would be interested in signing a long-term extension to stay with the Flames.
2. Hanifin doesn't want to sign an extension this year.

He has one more season left on his contract and is coming off a down year compared to 2021-22. If he expects to see a significant improvement under Huska, it's in his best interest to play out his contract. He's only 26 years-old, so he's still at an age where he should expect to improve from one year to the next. Also, the cap is expected to see a significant rise next season after 6 seasons of stagnation, which again makes it in his best interest to wait.

That's a potential challenge for Conroy (maybe not with Hanifin, but likely someone who is a pending UFA next season). It's easy to say you won't go into next season with a bunch of pending UFAs because you don't want a repeat of the Gaudreau and Tkachuk situations, but it can be a lot tougher to stick to those guns if a player says he wants to stay long-term, but also doesn't want to sign this summer because he thinks he has more to prove and wants to earn a better deal a year from now.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

To each their own, Lebrun is not even close to "one of the better" insiders. It is hard to take a man seriously when he has the physique I cannot imagine he could tie his own skates for a second.

Lebrun really needs to work on his skating if he ever wants to make it.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Do you actually think that NHL GMs depend on reporters to get their information about what is going on? Everything that gets reported is not news to anyone in NHL hockey ops. I suspect GMs just roll their eyes at "insider reports!"...

80% of these type of reports come from agents or people close to the players, the other 20% is bullshat

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

The white knighting for media "insiders" is hilarious. I believe Rasta Masta, Sec and Dissentowner way more than a Seravelli or Lebrun who are trying to generate clicks and interested in making drama.

Firstly THANKS! But the advantage these guys have is guys in the league office - when things get registered they get notified by a league source. There is a lot of people involved in “Registry” …Legal and Immigration, Finance, Media Relations ect - so remaining anonymous isn’t hard.

All NHL Contracts/jobs are through the league when it comes to hockey operations.

Typically GM/Agents agree to whatever transaction/contracts.
The agreement is sent to the NHL to get registered.
If Trade…Players and Agents are notified.
Confirmation Call.
Pack your shirts.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

The white knighting for media "insiders" is hilarious. I believe Rasta Masta, Sec and Dissentowner way more than a Seravelli or Lebrun who are trying to generate clicks and interested in making drama.

I’ve never really understood this conversation or the mud slinging towards one insider or the other. Of all the things to get upset/annoyed/troubled by, complaining about a hockey insiders has to be about number 237 on my list.

These guys have a job and it’s to stoke conversation/interest in the sport. Further it’s not like anything any of these guys have to say should negatively affect any hockey fans life. And if it does I’d suggest taking a step back and try to gain some perspective.

Frankly, these guys are just doing their jobs. What’s also funny is reading complaints on here about it. A group of people actively seeking out hockey commentary and then complaining about it. Totally befuddling.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

My guess is Montreal. Wonder if they're offering the Kadri/Monahan 1st swap back and something else perhaps. Dvorak+, Dach, Guhle would be ideal targets.

To MTL: Hanifin
To CGY: Monahan + 1st + future considerations

(Edit: I'm being facetious, obviously. We traded Monny and a first for future considerations, remember.)

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

To MTL: Hanifin
To CGY: Monahan + 1st + future considerations

Monahan is a UFA

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Monahan is a UFA

I'm glad my sense of humour is 60% dry and about 38% sarcastic. I find it translates really well over text-based mediums.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I'm glad my sense of humour is 60% dry and about 38% sarcastic. I find it translates really well over text-based mediums.

Montreal will sign Monahan to a cheap one year deal and then trade him. Simple lol

I wouldn’t mind giving Monahan a shot to rehab his career in Calgary though

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Montreal will sign Monahan to a cheap one year deal and then trade him. Simple lol

I wouldn’t mind giving Monahan a shot to rehab his career in Calgary though

This idea is out there but only if certain internal criteria are met prior to free agency.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

The white knighting for media "insiders" is hilarious. I believe Rasta Masta, Sec and Dissentowner way more than a Seravelli or Lebrun who are trying to generate clicks and interested in making drama.

Sure, even media insiders will pass off speculation as if they actually know more than they do. They have to be careful not to burn bridges though because having access to sources is their bread and butter. They take risk by having their identity public. It is kind of funny when people say that something is true just because Seravalli or LeBrun said something that was their opinion or speculation, but they can't distinguish it.

I do believe there are a really small number of people who post here do have some inside knowledge, but there are a few who are full of it and just do it for attention, People can believe whatever they want, but I don't see any reason to freak out if people doubt them.

Way back in the day, my wife's brother was a prospect in the Flames organization and had the same agent as one of the high profile players. My father-in-law was friends with the agent as well and used to tell me a lot of the stuff he was hearing. I was explicitly told to never post anything on social media though, so I didn't. But for sure, if a nobody like me can be in a position to get inside information, I am sure it happens to others, so I won't call people out, because you never know.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by bluejays

What did Salim and Lebrun say about being a bad look? Genuinely missed that controversy.

They complained all over Twitter about how it’s a bad look for a team to not let Brad look for other jobs (Pittsburgh at the time). Even though Brad was still employed until June. 30th and being paid very well. Lebrun even had the audacity to say it isn’t common practice. Which is ridiculous considering he was GM of a team for 9 plus seasons and is still under contract. It’s not common practice for team to block employees from moving on to other roles in a promotion sense. Or if Brad was fired. Which he wasn’t. A lateral move to another GM role before the draft. Common man, Lebrun lost a lot of credibility on that garbage story, Salim also.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Do you actually think that NHL GMs depend on reporters to get their information about what is going on? Everything that gets reported is not news to anyone in NHL hockey ops. I suspect GMs just roll their eyes at "insider reports!"...

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Uh no... I think in certain there are vulnerable relationships between team and player and media noise can be enough to nudge things into uncertainty and compell teams to make moves. BT certainly benefited from this in the Hamilton trade and in this case if he has a relationship with Lebrun and wants a shot at Hanifin, I could easily see him dropping a couple of plausible half truths in his lap and seeing where things land.

It doesn't matter what Hanifin or the Flames are telling each other right now, if there is any mistrust thrown into it, the trigger probably gets pulled.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Really? Going after him because of his weight?
That's really lame.

Credibility goes a long way in any business. No matter what business that is. And for a guy to throw out garbage takes like he did, he better be able to back it up. Not sure he can. That’s the point. I don’t care how heavy he is, but it can be a factor in credibility in some cases.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Lebrun really needs to work on his skating if he ever wants to make it.

See. I knew you would understand lol.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

They complained all over Twitter about how it’s a bad look for a team to not let Brad look for other jobs (Pittsburgh at the time). Even though Brad was still employed until June. 30th and being paid very well. Lebrun even had the audacity to say it isn’t common practice. Which is ridiculous considering he was GM of a team for 9 plus seasons and is still under contract. It’s not common practice for team to block employees from moving on to other roles in a promotion sense. Or if Brad was fired. Which he wasn’t. A lateral move to another GM role before the draft. Common man, Lebrun lost a lot of credibility on that garbage story, Salim also.

That was a perfect example of some people not being able to distinguish an "insider" opinion from something that is actually fact. LeBrun gave his opinion that it wasn't normal or fair to prevent Treliving from interviewing with the Pens, and then everyone started piling on as if LeBrun an authority on everything and his opinion was fact. Nothing about that situation was normal as 9 year long GMs do not typically quit, I don't see how he can say how the Flames acted was normal or not.

In the end, all that stuff may not have been true anyway. The Flames apparently did end up allowing him to speak to other teams while the Pittsburgh position was still open, and it was never reported that they talked to him after that (yet they spoke to Dubas who became available later). I suspect maybe they wanted to speak to him and Treliving wasn't even interested, and guys like LeBrun and Selim who were big Treliving backers thought it was weird, and assumed it was because the Flames wouldn't allow it. Maybe it just never got to the point that they had to allow it.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Credibility goes a long way in any business. No matter what business that is. And for a guy to throw out garbage takes like he did, he better be able to back it up. Not sure he can. That’s the point. I don’t care how heavy he is, but it’s another big factor in credibility.