[News] Kyle Beach reveals himself as John Doe, speaks out to TSN's Rick Westhead about abuse

[Fighting Banana Slug]

You honestly don’t see why some are extremely sceptical of the military and how it handles sexual misconduct and similar issues?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Oh, that's a convincing answer.

So your only argument is bigotry? Nice to know.

Is this serious or you just trolling?

Must have made it up.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by Badger Bob

[MOD EDIT] Absolute incendiary garbage. We don't want this kind of blatantly offensive crap on the Board. You're done.

Haven't posted in 6 years just to jump in with homophobic slurs. Amazing.

Already lifetimed too. Quick work mods.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

You honestly don’t see why some are extremely sceptical of the military and how it handles sexual misconduct and similar issues?

You honestly think that those issues are typical of the military?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Is this serious or you just trolling?

Must have made it up.

So you have no evidence, you just want me to google a bunch of catchphrases? Nice.

How about you actually make your case based on information, instead of expecting me to do it for you?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Typical, as it happens to most people, no. Typical, in that it goes to the very highest level of authority, and is not an isolated incident, yes.

[djsFlames]

Sadly, in 2010 using gay/f#g as an insult was still fairly commonplace. I absolutely believe the rumors of homophobic slurs being thrown around after the Aldrich incidences. You see that photo screenshot and it just feels like the arena was rife with those kinds of exchanges.

Thankfully this latest generation coming up is being raised with very different beliefs and gen z's have been brought into a world of tolerance as the norm and discrimination as taboo. And frankly, it's a welcomed adjustment to society. And well overdue.

While young guys are generally less "macho" today in how they carry themselves, I'd say they are more educated than myself and my peers were, and it beats the hell out of the casual racism and homophobia that was associated with being a "macho" and "masculine" guy while I was growing up.

That was always the dumbest rite of passage for being cool or accepted back then. It was disgusting and looked terrible on people to behave that way. When I see and hear it today walking to the dome or on the train (generally by people older than I) I just sigh and roll my eyes.

And the people who behave that way still today typically excuse it with "people today are just overly sensitive and can't take a joke" or "#### em if they can't take a joke". But the more likely truth is these people who still behave this way are dinosaurs that stopped learning or growing beyond a certain point in their lives and are just too lazy or ignorant to try. And I mostly feel pity for them.

Exhibit A: that no good post a page back...

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You honestly think that those issues are typical of the military?

I'll be honest, I have no personal military experience, and based on things that are reported online and in the news I think that the military is probably the worst of any organizations in terms of assault, abuse and misconduct. When it comes to reporting mechanisms and dealing with the issues I believe that very few people care.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Thankfully this latest generation coming up is being raised with very different beliefs and gen z's have been brought into a world of tolerance as the norm and discrimination as taboo. And frankly, it's a welcomed adjustment to society. And well overdue.

Well, they've been brought up to be intolerant of different things. It's some years now since people in authority stopped preaching about tolerance and started preaching about zero-tolerance.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'll be honest, I have no personal military experience, and based on things that are reported online and in the news I think that the military is probably the worst of any organizations in terms of assault, abuse and misconduct.

In Canada, I've noticed over the years, the media rarely reports anything about the military unless it's about assault, abuse, or misconduct. It gives a distorted picture. The people I know who do have military experience – quite a few of them, and several, I should point out, are women – have a different story to tell.

They will, however, agree with Cecil and the media about the top ranks. DND headquarters is well known as a hive of scum and villainy. I could say that the Canadian armed forces would be well served by cashiering every general and admiral, abolishing 90 percent of their positions, and promoting a small number of colonels and navy captains to the few top jobs that are actually necessary. I suspect a great many servicepeople and veterans would agree with me.

[Locke]

Bettman doing a live interview now on TSN.ca

[robertsfanatic]

John Garrett was just on the Fan 590 in Toronto and unprompted spoke about this situation and how he was disappointed, with people that he thought he knew well, and how they didn't help Kyle. He then specifically said Quenneville and Cheveldayoff.

He was also asked whether Fehr should be removed from the NHLPA and he said yes because he knew and did nothing about the situation.

I don't usually like JG but I thought it was awesome for a peer to call these guys out.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

John Garrett was just on the Fan 590 in Toronto and unprompted spoke about this situation and how he was disappointed, with people that he thought he knew well, and how they didn't help Kyle. He then specifically said Quenneville and Cheveldayoff.

He was also asked whether Fehr should be removed from the NHLPA and he said yes because he knew and did nothing about the situation.

I don't usually like JG but I thought it was awesome for a peer to call these guys out.

My understanding based on something that I read recently was that Beach was not a 'Dues Paying Member' of the NHLPA when Fehr was told as he was in the AHL at the time?

That seems like a cheap cop-out, but it just might work to keep Fehr's ass out of the sling.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Locke

My understanding based on something that I read recently was that Beach was not a 'Dues Paying Member' of the NHLPA when Fehr was told as he was in the AHL at the time?

That seems like a cheap cop-out, but it just might work to keep Fehr's ass out of the sling.

Even Beach himself made the point that he is uncertain of the NHLPAs role given that his status was not clear as he was a junior/AHL player at the time.

Agreed it is just a cop out though. Any time someone tells you about a sexual assault, the wrong answer is always "not my problem".

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Any time someone tells you about a sexual assault, the wrong answer is always "not my problem".

exactly this.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

exactly this.

Yeah, the incident happened when he was in the NHL as an NHL player. If they swept the complaint away because he was 'just some AHL' guy that would be really sad.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Even Beach himself made the point that he is uncertain of the NHLPAs role given that his status was not clear as he was a junior/AHL player at the time.

Agreed it is just a cop out though. Any time someone tells you about a sexual assault, the wrong answer is always "not my problem".

Agreed.

Probably the best answer for Fehr to have made was, ‘I can't do anything for you officially as you are not an NHLPA member. But if you want to take this to the authorities I will back you personally, and I will call for a full investigation in order to protect our members from a predator.’

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Any time someone tells you about a sexual assault, the wrong answer is always "not my problem".

Exactly. This is why Cheveldayoff should be punished in some way.
He had a duty to himself, his player, his team, his league to at the very least follow up (even if it was after the SCF) and make sure a police report was made.

He's the guy that saw the bomb and didn't tell a soul about hoping it would be defused. Boom!

If he had no real position or authority in the meeting, why the hell was he even there? To serve coffee?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Agreed.

Probably the best answer for Fehr to have made was, ‘I can't do anything for you officially as you are not an NHLPA member. But if you want to take this to the authorities I will back you personally, and I will call for a full investigation in order to protect our members from a predator.’

Pretty sure AHL players also have collective representation under the PHPA and Fehr could have just directed Beach there if it was a jurisdiction issue.

[iggyloob12]

Statement from Marian Hossa. That last line is something else, using Kyle Beach as a cover to duck further questions. "Out of respect for Kyle, I will not be commenting further."

https://twitter.com/user/status/1455497416573132808